Freemasonry is forbidden in my country

by Kent Joseph
(Jeddah, Saudi Arabia)

How can I join Freemasonry if I am in a country wherein it is forbidden? I am a Filipino and I have a great interest in joining the oldest fraternity known to man. In childhood, back home to my country, I was once amazed of a certain neighbor who was a Mason. Since then, while growing up, it made me ask a lot of questions of becoming a Mason. I am currently working here in Saudi Arabia and your suggestion is warmly appreciated. Thanks very much.

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Nov 13, 2010
Freemasonry is more than a fraternal organization
by: Tim

Dear Kent,

Thank you for your most excellent question. I wish I had a simple answer.

Freemasonry teaches freedom: freedom of thought, freedom of inquiry, freedom of speech, and freedom from tyranny. Freemasonry as an organization thrives where these freedoms are possible. Tyrannical regimes can not and will not allow these freedoms and therefore will not allow Freemasonry, as an organization, to exist. It has been thus throughout history.

However, Freemasonry does not exist only as an organization. The Masonic fraternity is simply an organization made of men and women who believe in Masonic teachings and ideals. But, Freemasonry is those teachings and ideals. No membership, of any kind, is required in order to follow the moral teachings of Freemasonry, and those teachings are readily available online and in the many books that have been written by Freemasons.

As you are in a country where the Masonic fraternity is forbidden there is little you can do regarding joining the fraternity. What you can do, though, is seek out like-minded men with whom you can share brotherly fellowship; study Freemasonry; join online forums and interact with Freemasons in other parts of the world. Being a Freemason is not about carrying a membership card. True Freemasonry exists only in the head and in the heart.

Toward that end, here are a few links to some very good Websites:

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/

http://www.masonicinfo.com/

And, of course, I hope you will return to www.Masonsmart.com

I wish I could have given you a simple answer. Unfortunately, life is not simple. Perhaps someday Saudi Arabia will become a place where Freemasonry will be welcomed and nourished. Until such time, keep the ember of Light burning softly within your heart.

Fraternally yours,

Tim
www.Masonsmart.com

Jan 13, 2011
where to find the lodge in Riyadh
by: Anonymous

I'm a Filipino civil engineer and currently working in Riyadh,Saudi Arabia.A member of DeMolay in Philippines. I'm looking for a masonic lodge in Riyadh to join the freemasonry. Please guide me..

Thanks..

Apr 11, 2011
Freemasonry in Arabic Countries
by: Anonymous

I know it is hard too be a mason were you are not welcome. But then again Jesus was not welcome in many places but he is with us today in spirit!
History has taught us to take it one day at a time and one brother will help another until we can achive what we set out to do.

Jul 04, 2011
Interested but unable to find a lodge
by: Speckz

I am an individual seeking enlightenment by joining the brotherhood of the freemasons but unfortunately there is no lodge here in Jeddah. I am very very very much interested to learn more and hopefully become part of the longest living brotherhood. My email is bugtokill@hotmail.com hope to hear from you guys....

Jul 28, 2011
To join mason
by: kwaku

I am boy of 22yeas old and i am into cyber fraud. But things are not going well as it suppose to be and i like to join Freemason so they can help me in life.But i really don't know how to do now so if you can help me to find a way to become a member of Freemason lodge.Thanks you and hope to hear from you.My email is matihlda_pat@live.com .kwaku.

Sep 04, 2012
Help ..
by: MC Tweety

Plz Help Me To Find Lodge In Saudi Arabia - Jeddah
That's My Email: dr.tweety@hotmail.com
I Hope That u can Help Me .. Waiting For u Replay

Jul 16, 2013
Freemasonry is forbidden in my conuntry
by: Anonymous

I am a ledy of 28 years old, and I am into film as an Actres but things are no't going well as it suppose to be and I like to join Freemason so they can help me in life But I really don't know how to do,so if you can help me to find a way to become a member of Freemason lodge I am very very much interested, and hopefully become part of The longest living brotherhood. Thanks you and hope to hear from you. My Email is queenlee53@facebook.com. Queen Kwashi.

Aug 20, 2013
LEDY
by: Tom

If by, "ledy" you mean 'lady', a woman, Freemasonry is a fraternity, a group for men only. Sorry. I do hope your career turns itself around.

Sep 27, 2013
moving
by: Anonymous

am currently in the united states and i will be moving to saudi arabia i wonder if there is members in saudi that i can gather with them.

Sep 30, 2013
Freemasonry in Saudi Arabia
by: Tim

There are undoubtedly Freemasons in Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately, Freemasonry as an organization is not presently active in Saudi Arabia. Freemasonry flourishes where freedoms exist, and as is currently the case in most Middle East countries such organizations are either not allowed or are simply unable to operate under the existing political regimes.

Here is a link to an article on the Pietre-Stones Review of Freemasonry Web site discussing the Masonic Craft in Islamic countries. The article was first presented as a paper in 2007, but so far as I know very little has changed since.

I wish you the very best and good luck in your move to Saudi Arabia. And, thank you for visiting Masonsmart.

Fraternally,

Tim

Nov 04, 2013
I want to join Mason
by: Anonymous

Hi, I'am Filipino and I'm working now in Jeddah. I experienced being scam in looking for ways joining Mason. Last 2010, I was asked by someone in Philippines they said the first step is to donate in charity and I will get my membership form. I sent money to western union then after they received, i dont hear from there on.
But still, I dont lost hope. I know Mason will be the right fraternity for me.
Please do email me: I want to join and embrased the doctrines and teachings of mason.

Fernando
arviesantos28@yahoo.com

Nov 04, 2013
Sorry
by: TomAnonymous

Sadly, somebody has led you astray. While charity is a virtue Masons try to practice, donating is not the way to join. You need to contact a Lodge or a Mason directly to start. In any case, obedience to the lawful authority is central to Masonry. As the Craft is to all extents and purposes illegal in Saudi Arabia, you will need to wait until your return to the Philippines. Sorry.

Nov 05, 2013
1 month vacation only
by: Arvie

If ever I go back to Philippines. How long before I can complete my membership because I only have 1 month vacation and after that I need to go back to Saudi?

Nov 05, 2013
Still sorry, really
by: TomAnonymous

No regular Mason will ever counsel you to break the laws of the land you are living in. There is, it would seem, no immediate solution to your problem. In short, you are simply going to have to put away your desire to join until - when and if - you are living in a nation which is not afraid of the Craft.

Nov 11, 2013
Connection with my brothers
by: mirth

Hello brothers,
I'm a Fellow brother still in my first degree but I moved back to Saudi Arabia before I could complete my degrees, and my cypher classes. I was wondering if you could direct me to someone that lives here that would be able to teach me how to read the cypher book which I received.
Thank you

Nov 11, 2013
Curious
by: atom

Dear Mirth,

Why would you not contact directly the Lodge in which you were made a Mason and ask them?


Oct 12, 2014
join the freemasonry
by: Anonymous

hi ,

my name is tony i have 28 years old , i m in saudi arabia right know working in jeddah ...
i m looking to joining the freemasonry and to be an active member
this is my cell phone number and you can contact me on it any time : 00966509206909

appreciated your help

best regards .



Oct 12, 2014
Not Going to Happen
by: Anonymous

Not sure of another way to say what has already been said, but Freemasonry is illegal in Saudi Arabia.

Period.

Masons will not advise you to break the laws of the land you are in, nor will they assist you to do so.

Period.

I hope your time in the kingdom is pleasant and profitable and suggest that you try again when you get to a place where Masonry is legal.

Aug 12, 2015
I Want to be a Member of Freemason
by: Anonymous

How can i submit my intention to Freemasonry?

I'm from Lipa City Batangas but working in Saudi Arabia.

Oct 23, 2015
One More Time...
by: Jack

Look, it's simple.

1. Freemasonry exists only where it is legal.

2. No real Freemason would ever advise you to break the law of the land you are living in.

3. Freemasonry is not legal in Saudi Arabia. It's a foolish and silly law, but it is the law there.

4. Last time I looked, Jeddhah was in Saudi Arabia.

5. Ergo, Freemasonry is illegal in Jeddah.

Even if there was a lodge in a place where it was illegal - and to the best of my knowledge there is not - do you really think anybody would tell an anonymous inquirer on a public website?

The lot of you should get real and stop asking silly questions. The answer is going to be the same every time - the same as it was six months ago and the same as it was a year ago - you cannot join Freemasonry in Saudi Arabia. Ask 500 times and you'll get the same answer.

Period.

Aug 21, 2016
Being a Freemason where it is prohibited.
by: Mason Wayne

Hello,
I am a Freemason and would like to offer a suggestion. If you live in a country where Freemasons are banned, there is an alternative. It is not the best scenario. You would need a group of 7 or more people who desire to be a Freemason. To open lodge as an entered apprentice requires 7 with officers. Fellow craft requires 5 or more with officers. Masters requires 3 or more with officers. The problem is, you need officers. Folks that are already Master Masons. If you find them, you can do this. Do not hold lodge in a place where it would be obvious. To open lodge, you only need the Masons, not a building. You could open lodge in the middle of a field if you wanted to. Do now let anyone here you speaking the words of a Freemason because you'd be identified for sure. Do not speak "Freemason" around non-members. It would be noticed. Do not where emblematic jewelry. You can find all the info you need online as far as how to open lodge under each Mason degree. If you want this bad enough, it can be done. If I was there, I would help. Good luck future brother of Masonry.

Aug 21, 2016
Wrong!
by: Lant

@Mason Wayne

Absolutely not!

Central to Freemasonry is obedience to the laws of the nation in which a Mason may live. No real Mason could countenance deliberate breaking of those laws and I find it hard to believe that a true Mason would suggest such a thing.

The Saudi laws against the Craft are foolish and based on silly myths, to be sure, but they are the law. If one lives in a land where Masonry is illegal, then one cannot be a Mason.

That's it.


Aug 21, 2016
Wrong
by: Thane

Further to that, one cannot just pull a selection of ritual off the web, call oneself a Mason and open a 'lodge'. Even if you managed to find the real ritual amongst all the web garbagem to be within world-wide Masonic custom, tradition and law, every lodge must have a charter from a recognized grand lodge and no grand lodge would agree to that.

To be sure, such things have happened, but no real Mason recognizes such phonies as legitimate and no real Mason will meet with such people.

And - critically - no real Mason would ever suggest such a thing.

Aug 23, 2016
"Mason Wayne" is no Mason...
by: Tim

In addition to the comments by Lant and Thane, I would add that any such conduct as described by "Mason Wayne" would very likely result in those involved being considered clandestine. Any man having once been involved in a clandestine lodge is forever barred from being accepted into a regular lodge as a legitimate member of the Masonic fraternity.

Mr. Wayne's advice is an excellent example of the misinformation and misrepresentation of the fraternity that is so rampant on the Internet. Please take this as a learning opportunity. "Mason Wayne" is not a Freemason. As Thane rightly points out, no real Mason would ever suggest such a thing.

The Masonic fraternity is an organization based on rules. One such rule charges us with obedience to the laws of the land. If you live in a country where Freemasonry is forbidden you may study the craft by reading books written by Freemasons, assuming they are not also forbidden. You may live according to the high ideals of the teachings and tenets of Freemasonry. But, unless and until there is a change in the government of your country you may not become a member of the Masonic fraternity.

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