Could someone please explain OES (Order of the Eastern Star) to me ?

by S & I

I joined OES because I was not allowed to join the Masons. I do not want to ask the people at the Chapter because they are like a bunch of sweet grandmas and I think I would hurt their feelings by asking these questions. The guys at Chapter don't really talk to me other than to say hi.


1. Do they just do the same thing every time ?

2. What is the beautiful part about the story of J and A ? J was a moron. Why did A have to pay for his stupidity ?

3.Why do they serve alcohol at Lodge and not at OES (I could have used a drink the other night at Chapter)?

4.Do they ever have guest speakers or anything remotely interesting ?

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Mar 17, 2012
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OES Answers for S&I
by: James

1. "Do they just do the same thing every time?"
Yes we do the same thing everytime, it is the way the OES is structured. Lodge also does the same thing everytime. Sometimes it may seem boring, however these things have to be done according to the by-laws. They also are done to help promote better understanding of the OES. Please hang in there.

2. "What is the beautiful part about the story of J and A? J was a moron. Why did A have to pay for his stupidity?"
This question I will try to answer where you may understand, as this part can seem to some disturbing. If you recall J made a solemn oath, and unfortunately A became involved after this oath. J, I am sure was heart broken because his oath ultimately cost him the loss of A. A loved J as well, however A knew that J must follow through with the committment that he had made. The beauty as I see it is that A stood there as strong as any person could under the circumstances demonstrating a heroic strength that most people could not ever imagine. Also I am sure that J would have probably thought that he was, in your words a Moron.

3. "Why do they serve alcohol at Lodge and not at OES (I could have used a drink the other night at Chapter)?"
I am not sure where you are from, but alcohol is not allowed in the lodges in our state.

4. "Do they ever have guest speakers or anything remotely interesting?"
We occasionaly have guests that speak, but usually it can be just the same old thing. I am not sure how long you have been a member, but you S & I can make the difference you seek. Talk to them, ask if there is something that can be done to make it more interesting, ie guests, special events, fund raisers, educational sessions, or anything that would be acceptable in the setting. The sweet grandmas that you think so well of, because you consider their feelings, will more than likely be overjoyed that you are interested, and can assist you in making it interesting. Please give it a chance, as ultimately the OES is all about you and your personal growth.

5. Bring up conversations with the guys as well, it is a two way street. It may take some time, but after they get to know you all will be fine. As for me Welcome, you are a valued member of th OES.

Mar 22, 2012
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Thank you
by: S & I

Thank you for your response James. I'm still not seeing the beauty of the story. All I'm getting so far is that it's noble to let your father kill you if he makes an idiotic promise.

I think I joined for the wrong reasons. Reason one was to make my grandmother happy. Mission accomplished but she is no longer living on the earthly plane. Reason two was to see if I could figure out why my husband became a mason. So far, all I can figure is that he enjoys being bored once a month.

I have a lot of great ideas to make OES more fun but a lot of them may kill off the long-time members :) I think I'd better quit before somebody gets hurt.

Mar 23, 2012
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S & I
by: James

S & I,
I wish I could explain further, however since this is an open forum, I do not have the liberty to do so.
I do thank you for being so honest. And I regret that I can't answer in a way that might make a real difference.
I also think that you are right, some things that would possibly make the OES and Lodge more interesting and enjoyable would give a few of the older members heart attacks. And I am talking of honorable events and ideas:)
As for figuring out why your husband joined lodge, that is only something he can answer. My reason for joining was to find out for myself what is was about, and that most of my hero's as a child and man were and are Mason's. As for being bored once a month at lodge, it is also a release, as when I go to lodge, I can forget about the problems of everyday life for just an hour or so. Also for me, lodge makes it easier to help with charity and helping our fellow human beings. And I totally believe that it has made me a better husband, father, and person.

To be totally honest with you I enjoy the OES, however the lodge is more dear to my heart. I am active in the OES probably because of my wife and daughter, and son-in-law. However I am proud to say that I am a member.

It saddens my heart that you will probably quit, but if you are not in it for your own "right" reasons, I fully understand. I wish you the absolute best, sister, and hope you find your answers.

I hope that you will be open and ask your husband why he joined. I think that he would be tickled to have the conversation.

S & I, I wish I could of been of more help, and please know that I have enjoyed trying to help find your answers! Please respond if you desire to, and best wishes.

James

Mar 24, 2012
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Thank you.
by: S & I

Thank you James. All the best to you and your family.

Apr 06, 2012
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Beautiful Order
by: Anonymous

How very sad you cannot get past your own ideas of being a moron. Adah was a powerful woman because god gave her the strength and courage to endure. We may never be expected to go through what these 5 heroines have been asked to do. But I find my own personal life is better because I have identified to them and have mirrored my life as they did. Obviously you do not have a strong religious belief or you would see this in these beautiful women.

Apr 09, 2012
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Beautiful Order by anonymous
by: James

This sister was looking for answers. Please review the teachings of the fifth point of the Star, and try helping her, instead of judging her. The fifth point reminds us to L___ O___ A____.

Sincerely your brother

Apr 10, 2012
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Thanks
by: S & I

Thanks for sticking up for me James. I do have strong religious beliefs. They just may be different than most people.

Jul 20, 2012
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astrotheology
by: Anonymous

Hi. Is there any way the stories of the 5 women could be explained with regard to astrotheology ? Perhaps then, I would truly understand the meanings and it would make the decision to quit or continue more clear.

Jul 22, 2012
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Astrotheology
by: James

Anonymous,
I am not sure that astrotheology can help explain the 5 star points or not. Rob Morris took the basic stories from the Bible, and used the 5 heroines for teaching the moral significance/lesson for each of the star points. Which bible, King James Version as an example, or perhaps another earlier version, he used I can not answer. I also can't say that he went back to an even earlier text or to theology that predates, either ancient or modern Christianty. What I can say is that the five heroines and their stories are contained in the Holy Bible. I personally do not believe that he used astrotheology for the the basis of any of the Eastern Star rituals or explanation of the moral lessons therein contained, only that the Bible was used. As for the Eastern Star, that reference is almost certainly directed to Christian beliefs. Please keep in mind, that the belief in a Supreme Being is a requirement for membership in the OES, but the members personal religious preference is not dictated. I hope this helps, and will try to answer further questions that you may have.

Jul 24, 2012
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astrotheology
by: Anonymous

Hi James. You know me as S & I. I'm trying to get this OES thing figured out so that I can make a more informed decision about quitting. I am beginning to believe that the bible is a coded story of the seasons and the planets with particular reference to the sun. Given that, I still haven't figured out astrologically why the woman in blue gets beheaded. Perhaps the blue represents Sirius and the chopping refers to it's position in reference to the earth during the winter.

OR, maybe each colour refers to alchemical elements . Blue for air. Yellow for earth. Green for water. Red for fire. White for ether. I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on this.

Jul 28, 2012
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Interesting concept, could be ????
by: Anonymous

S & I, I have never tried to make the connection of the colors in this way. I would have to study his (Morris) work more indepth to say absolutely one way or the other. Your choice for green as water is interesting. Considering the heroine and her story, I would have personally placed green with earth, as there was basically a revival of what appeared to have died, as an example grass and trees appear to die in the fall/winter and then with spring they re-emerge and are rejuvenated like they were previously.
I will have to contemplate the question further, and try to see if I can find any connections with the colors as you propose. Please don't think that I'm disagreeing with you, as I do respect where you are coming from. And you may have something here, that was lost along the way of the order from it's inception. Please check back and I will try to quickly research this and see what I can find. Best regards

James

Jul 29, 2012
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Thanks
by: Anonymous

Thank you James.

Aug 29, 2014
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Just quit your sexist club
by: Anonymous

The reason only grandmas are there is because they do not understand or care about the sexist nature of this club. This society was started in 1850 when women could not legally own property or enter into contracts without males validating them. In fact, women were considered to be property of their husbands. Hence, women cannot take binding oaths in Eastern Star without a male association or meet and do business without men being present. Eastern star's rules requiring male Masonic relationships have nothing to do with it being a family organization. If there are unequal alcohol requirements, this only proves the sexist antiquated nature of the whole organization. I would suggest that if you're interested in freemasonry, to join a co-Masonic organization where all the females aren't over the age of 80 and where women are treated equally. The unequal environment in the Masonic world will not ever change unless more women become fed up and reject inequality.

Oct 23, 2014
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Encouragement
by: Sis J

Dear S & I,

Please be mindful that this is an open forum and remember your obligation. After all, we are given the first token for good reason.

Having said that, I sure hope you decide to remain in OES because I have found it to be very interesting as I have progressed in the teachings.

Jun 15, 2016
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Sad
by: A Kept Woman

Sad to see this post. Although this is 4 years later I'm saddened by your "boredom" and lack of understanding. You can learn a lot from those " old ladies"I have been trying to find a way to become an ES for years but no blood line and I have no one in the chapters here in Dc Maryland VA area to nominate me. Here you are with this privilege and you're complaining and questioning irrelevant things. Good luck and God bless

Apr 25, 2017
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NO! NEW
by: Anonymous

You should know better than to ask these questions online. I suggest talking to your Worthy Matron about your concerns. They are there for questions and guidance. Those "old women" you speak of will help you learn a lot. Perhaps if you wanted more excitement you would have been better off going Greek and joining a sorority. That's all I'll say.

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