Can a Muslim be a Freemason?

Hi. I'm 18 years of age and I want to be a Freemason, but I'm a Muslim and I heard rumors that a Muslim can't be a Freemason. I would be grateful if you would tell me whether these rumors are true or false.
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May 11, 2011
 Salam Alaikum!
by: Anonymous

Salam Alaikum Brother,
I myself am a Freemason and a Muslim. As long as you believe in God and you are a man of good moral stature, you are an eligible petitioner to Freemasonry.
I hope this helps answer you question.

Bro. Carey
Wisc. Blue Ldg# 248
Jun 05, 2011
 Read and learn
by: Anonymous

No other thing deserves more trust than these two. Almighty Allah says: "O ye who believe, obey Allah and the Messenger when He calleth you to that which quickeneth you, and know that Allah cometh in between the man and his own heart, and that He it is unto Whom ye will be gathered." (Al-Anfal: 24)

Freemasonry is a secret organization whose beliefs and practices are totally kept confidential except from those who are initiated into it. They have levels of secrets which are not divulged to those who are at lower levels. A Muslim should never fall prey or give allegiance to something which cannot be scrutinized by the firm criteria of the Qur’an and the Sunnah. Whoever joins Freemasonry is like a person who writes a blank check; by doing so he agrees to give allegiance blindly to an authority to comply with their wishes no matter what they are.

No Muslim can surrender his will unconditionally to anyone but Allah. If anyone has done so, he is guilty of the most blatant violation namely shirk (associating partners with Allah). Allah says: “Do they have partners beside Allah who shall prescribe for them rituals that Allah has not sanctioned.” (Ash-Shura: 21)"
Jun 06, 2011
 Knowledge and Ignorance
by: John

I commend your apparently extensive knowledge and understanding the Qur'an, but please recognize that knowledge of the Muslim religion does not grant insight into a fraternal organization that you know nothing about.
A Freemason does not give blind allegiance to any man or institution. In fact, it is the exact opposite. Freemasonry teaches that a man is to think for himself, find and follow his own destiny, and reject tyranny in all forms.
Freemasonry is not a religion, nor does its teachings conflict with any religion. It teaches universal brotherhood among all men of all religious faiths. It is upon this platform of universal brotherhood that Freemasonry unites men of every country, sect and opinion.
Aug 08, 2011
 ask seek knock
by: Raymond Conder

why do so many people get mightily upset when you ask the question: Are you a freemason?RayConder@hotmail.com
Sep 25, 2011
 how do i join?
by: femi

how do i join masonic brotherhood..., cuz i have read little about the group and it fascinating though am a Muslim
Oct 06, 2011
 Being a Muslim Mason
by: Tim

Whether you can become a Freemason depends more on the government of the country in which you live than your chosen religion. Good men of all faiths are welcome to petition for membership in the fraternity, but the governing powers in some countries do not allow Freemasonry to exist as an organization.

Freemasonry teaches freedom, equality and truth. If these teachings are not a constitutional part of the government in your country then organized Freemasonry may not exist there. However, this does not mean that the teachings are any less valid or important.

You do not need to be a member of the fraternity to practice Freemasonry. Find other like-minded men; study some of the many books written about Freemasonry by Freemasons; discuss your findings and your beliefs and look within yourself for truth.

If you do live in a country where Freemasonry is active visit our Joining Freemasons page for an explanation of the process of joining.

Best of luck and thank you for your question.
Oct 06, 2011
 IMPORTANT
by: muslim girl

hey,why do you want to be a free mason i am muslim i will give you the reason why you shouldnt but it is your choice why do you want to be from them?what will the masonic worship will give you that islam doesn't give you,,,remmber if you went to the masonic worship and then returned to islam you wont be comsidered as a muslim i know the honest pure person is inside you defeat the devil i know the chance to be a muslim is a small chance but pls read some quaran you will regret i a sure you pls dont
Dec 30, 2011
 ARE U DUMB
by: Anonymous

are you dumb ! youre worshiping the devil, whoever says they are muslim as well as a free mason is commtiting shirk ! use youre brains they hate muslims
Jan 10, 2012
 I can't believe what I'm hearing
by: Anonymous

Salams my young brother! I'm a Muslim as well as a freemason. Yasser Afatt was also a Muslim and a freemason. My Allah be pleased with him.
Jan 12, 2012
 is it possible to quit
by: Anonymous

If I was accepted to be mason, could I change my mind or quit later without any punishment from Mason.
Jan 12, 2012
 Yes, you can quit the Masons
by: Tim

Yes, it is possible to demit from membership in the Masonic fraternity whenever you wish. However, when you become a Freemason you make certain promises and take certain obligations, and as an honorable man you would be expected to keep your promises.

Would there be punishment for not keeping your promises? Not from the Masons. Many men have broken their promises and violated their obligations without consequence from the fraternity. The punishment would come with the knowledge that you are not worthy of the trust and confidence placed in you when making those promises.

Thanks for your question. Fraternally,

Tim
Jan 13, 2012
 Yes you can
by: Mike357

You can become a mason and I invite you to do so. I had the priviledge of fellowshipping with a brother of the Muslim faith and we had some very enlightening conversations. After some serious thought and study, we came away with the realization that the two actually are very similiar and both contained answers that were asked by the other.
Jan 14, 2012
 I am a muslim and when I was interested alhamduallah I did not become one
by: Anonymous

The mason's have the belief that they came from solomans temple... No one will deny that.. All you need to do is read Surat al baqara verse 102 and start researching from there. Please make the right decision stay in the path of the all mighty God.
Jan 15, 2012
 Thank you muslim
by: muslim girl

Thank you soooooo much for trying to convience him/her I tried but I didn't get an answer and yea read also soret yassin(soret yassin will make you ashamed of how have you even thought to be a free mason)
Jan 16, 2012
 Lost Property of the Believer
by: AsadSayfu-Llah

Allow me to share with you, wisdom of the Messenger of Allah. The Holy Prophet (s) said that knowledge is the lost property of Believer. Wherever he may find it, it is his, because no one deserves it more than he.

"Wherever you find knowledge, take it, even if it is in the hands of the ploytheist."- Ali ibn abi talib (ra)

The reason that Muslims are misguided to disrespect Freemasonry, is because their minds are saturated with Christian propaganda. They don't realise that the anti-Mason Christians hate Islam even more than they hate Freemasonry. In fact, they blame Islam for establishing Freemasonry via Templars via Ismaelites- The same Christians say our Beloved Prophet Muhammad is Baphomet. Astaghfirullah!

Rewind 500 years. The Cathloic Church slaughtered Muslims, tore down the Moorish Empire, and called Muslims as heathens. They considered you to be a satan worshiper if you said the world is round.

The same cathloic church also accused the Templars of worshiping Baphomet. They executed the Templars based on the same kind of lies they told about the Muslims.

Allah says in Quran, surah 49, that we must investigate when news is brought to us from an evil man. The christians who lie against Muslims cannot be trusted, so Muslims need to stop believing everything that the anti-Muslim Christians say.

Allah says investigate, so Muslims are OBLIGATED to investigate. Those who obey Allah's command, investigate by joining the Fraternity to learn the Truth vs slander.

Those who disobey Allah and follow their aniti-mason, anti-muslim, Christian enemies- assist the Christians in spreading slander without proof. This is ignorance and a shameful practice.

Muslims who are Freemasons should organise to combat this foolishness. We have knowledge because we seek knowlegde with justice, not prejudice.

Muslims who disobey Allah in this matter should be admonished.

Allah is Nuru samaawati wal ard- LIGHT of the heveans and earth.



Jan 16, 2012
 About Solomon's Temple
by: AsadSayfu-Llah

The Quran ayah which mentions Solomon clears his name of any wrongdoing. If you take the time to read the ayah, you'll see it is talking about Black magic, not Freemasonry. You cannot condemn anyone if they study about Solomon. And think about how you contradict yourselves:

1. A masjid was built under Umar's command, on the ruins of Solomon's Temple. It's called Temple Mount and Muslims consider it Holy. That's why its called Quds. So you contradict yourselves by blaming Freemasons in connection with Solomon's Temple when you yourselves consider it a Holy place. Three fingers pointing back at you. ...

2. The Templars were students of Muslims who controlled Temple Mount. That's where they got their knowledge, not from satans. The Muslims did not teach Black magic to the Templars. So please go back and read the ayah with presence of mind, and do not jump to conclusions just because satan put a suggestion in your head via anti-Muslim/Mason Christian propaganda. You cannot give da'wah by wearing ignorance on your shoulder



Jan 17, 2012
 what does mean anti-mason
by: Anonymous

I do not believe that there is anti-mason.
Jan 30, 2012
 please listen brothers
by: Anonymous

I am a Muslim and have seen the disadvantages of close mindness.Allah is perfect, TheHoly Prophet(SAW) is the last prophet. please research more about the noble Free-Masons. Try finding the book The Secrets of the Free-masons by Pat morgan.
Jan 30, 2012
 I am back with evidence
by: muslim girl

1st:
Is Freemasonry a religion?
No, Freemasonry is not a religion. Masons who treat it as such are mistaken. Freemasonry strongly encourages its members to belong to an established religion, although that is not a requirement for membership (only that a candidate profess a belief in a Supreme Being). Masonry is a fraternal organization that encourages morality and charity and studies philosophy. It has no clergy, no sacraments, and does not promise salvation to its members.

2nd
But what about terms like "Temple," "Worshipful," and so on?
Labor unions meet in a Labor Temple. A museum may be called the Temple of Fine Arts. This does not mean that they are religious institutions. The same is true of Freemasonry. (Masonic buildings are also called Lodge Halls and Masonic Centers as well as Masonic Temples. Some Scottish Rite buildings are called "Cathedrals," but that is from a Greek word meaning "chair," and referring to the seat of authority of any sort.)

The term "worshipful" stems from 18th century English usage, when Freemasonry in its present form was being organized. The term has nothing to do with religious worship but is an old synonym for "honorable" or "respected." Check any good dictionary!

Similarly, Freemasons engage in group prayer and have a chaplain, just as do the armed services and the houses of Congress. That does not make Masonry into a religion

3rd:
Is there a conflict between Freemasonry and established religion?
There is nothing in Freemasonry that conflicts with most religions. However, Freemasonry does insist on religious tolerance. To the extent that certain religious groups would wish to suppress other religions or persecute their followers, Freemasons would be in opposition to such activities, and adherents of such groups would be both uncomfortable and unwelcome in Masonry. It is also the case that certain religious groups are misinformed about Freemasonry and believe things about the Fraternity that are not true; basing their opinions on this false information, they then formulate opinions that create conflict.

4th:
Why do certain fundamentalist groups oppose Freemasonry?
Mostly out of ignorance and misinformation, although possibly out of fear of competition for time and attention with the church (churches have been suffering the same loss of active membership over the past few decades as has Freemasonry). Ignorance of Masonry allows misinformation to spread. For example, it is claimed that Freemasonry has a "plan of salvation" that is in opposition to that of the Christian Church. Simply not true; nothing in any of the Masonic degrees refers to salvatio

you can also visit a site that i will asure you not to be a freemason because why leave your religon to go to no relgion!!
here is it:http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Masonry/Questions/difficult.html
Mar 14, 2012
 i want more knowlege and truth
by: mjsearch4truth

My question is? the levels of knowledge between masons who are politicians, musicians, and atheletes! Are their levels of freemasonry that are evil? Does it differ from the masons who are fraturnal. I am muslim and i seek knowlege where ever i may find it. but not if its knowlege that satan uses to illude me from the truth
Mar 14, 2012
 The truth of Freemasonry is....
by: Tim

Freemasonry is simply a system of moral teachings designed to enable a good man to make of himself a better man through study and introspection. It is not a religion. It has no evil in it. It has no more power than the golden rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

The Masonic fraternity is an organization made up of men and women who desire to contribute to the betterment of the world, and realize that their contribution can be enhanced by combining efforts with many others. They work together in groups large and small to raise funds for worthy charitable organizations, to do charitable acts for those in need, and to support each other emotionally and spiritually in their daily lives.

Freemasonry and the Masonic fraternity combine to create a belief system and means by which to live a life of honor and purpose. Those who sensationalize it are either misinformed or are pursuing their own agenda toward profit or attention. As in most cases, the truth is much less exciting than the fiction.
Mar 31, 2012
 then why is it secret
by: mjsearch4truth

@ tim, then y is it secret and concealed knowlege? Islam has all of those attributes, and it is free for the world to get anytime it wants to. y do u guys get a quran at a certain level of ur learning? what is a shrinner? and is the propaganda about blood sacrefice in the entertainment and political industry fake or real. the symbol are constant among them? talk to me now!!???
Apr 01, 2012
 propaganda
by: MyOwnThinker

guess you answered your own question,,
PROPOGANDA : Information, of a biased or misleading nature
my opinion is that people need to stop restricting their mind and do some proper research before they slander,,
educate yourself and not from rappers and youtube.
i used to be anti mason but that was only because i was listening to what people were telling me and just watching propoganda.
but now that i have started thinking for myself all i can say is i do not have enough knowledge to clearly stste what is what, inshallah i would like to gain knowledge. but until i clearly know enough, i wouldd hate to slander when i dont have the knowledge.
Apr 02, 2012
 Masonic secrets are....
by: Tim

The teachings of Freemasonry are not secret. They never have been. They are universal teachings for living a peaceful life of honor and service. Freemasonry simply uses the tools of operative masonry as symbols to serve as lifelong reminders of these lessons.

However, membership in the Masonic fraternity is restricted to those men who have been properly vouched for, satisfactorily investigated, and favorably balloted on by members of a regular lodge. Once made a member, we take upon ourselves certain obligations. These obligations are honorable promises of mutual assistance and support, dedications of service to mankind, and promises to keep certain secrets. They are decidedly not of a nature from which any good man would dissent. These obligations and the shared experience of initiation create the brotherhood that is the Freemasons.

The secrets are our modes of recognition and esoteric knowledge, by which we may come to know a man to be a brother. The Masonic fraternity is a worldwide organization and our secrets enable us to recognize each other without need of a formal introduction.

We do not receive a Quran, nor any other Holy book as part of being a Mason. Freemasonry is not a religion. Nor is it a substitute for religion. Every member is encouraged to practice his own chosen religion. Freemasonry only requires that a man believe in God. How he chooses to relate to and worship God is a personal matter.

A Shriner is a member of the Shriners International organization, an appendant body of Freemasonry. The Shrine is a philanthropic organization which supports several hospitals for children specializing in orthapaedics, burn care, cleft lip and palate, and spinal cord injury. You can learn more about the Shrine at www.ShrinersHQ.org

There is no sacrifice, blood or otherwise, in Freemasonry. We invest our time and money is service to others and becoming better men. Anyone willing to make such a sacrifice for personal gain, or for any other reason, has no place in the Masonic fraternity.

I hope this helps answer your questions and clear up some confusion. Thanks for your contribution to Masonsmart.com

Fraternally,

Tim
Apr 21, 2012
 Sorcery , murder , interest in business , gambling , hoarding , alcohol..
by: Ibrahim Tamanrasetti

May our brother humans say that they believe in Supreme being , that word " Supreme Being " refers clearly to making yourself superior over other humans while you take them other humans including Muslims as some sort of stray animals say sheep or rabbits.
My brother Muslims dont add anybody amongst you or yourselves in Masonry because you will lose the help of Allah , he wants you to think of him , love him , care his command , read his words , fast for showing loyalty , pray 5 or more times , what else is important for you more that his great Paradise? Where four seasons dont exist , where sun never burns , where birds talk to you..
My brothers now lets get real , Masons were partly Christians but then they parted it for protection of Jerusalem. They do sorcery , that Haram . They dont actually trust in any God.
Follow up , discover their behaviour , they drink alcohol , take interests over loans , they put monopoly on businesses by killing rivals. They have zero tolerance , on wealth equality , religion , social harmony and their faces show that they are demons.

FYI: None of this regarding Masons or Masonry is true, and Ibrahim knows not of what he speaks.
Tim
Jun 26, 2012
 truth
by: Anonymous

yes you can im one been one for over 30yrs
Sep 17, 2012
 Muslim and Mason
by: rrl

as salam aleicum, let me add my personal take. I'm a Muslim and a Mason of Lodge in France, Member of a Master Lodge and yes it took me a while to get my head clear and Allah help me it was not easy. However may I say that while there is Rituals there is no Religion, no one ever argued about or against my believe in Allah. It is however difficult. It is not only the misconceptions and misinformation which is out there, you can get confused when you do not have a guiding hand and do not have a strong knowledge of Allah. Many fall from the path and it is dangerous for those who are easily swayed, for those strong enough the rewards are high and you will find many who will help you.
Allah keep you safe!
Oct 23, 2012
 no need to be a mason
by: malik el allah

if you are a muslim ahki you dont need to be a mason.you will lose allah and allah will lose you. there is no need for masons. study about masons and see where they got started. peace brother
Nov 07, 2012
 I am a nobody.
by: Nil

Peace be upon you,

I heard that for somebody to enter this fraternity, he must pass certain requirements. Can somebody with extremely low level of social status, wealth, knowledge or even has imperfect health be able to join this type of organisation?

Furthermore, this person even agnostic or an atheist with only the "niat" an great interest to find knowledge, which he hope could help him in the search for truth? Give a case that this person is an ex-Muslim and has always been a Muslim before.

Is this kind of person would able to join such fraternity?

Regards,
Ahmad
Nov 24, 2012
 Allah will loose you
by: rrl

Malik el Allah, Allah will not loose you, loosing Allah is a personal decision and if you are secure in your knowledge of allah nothing will sway you from the path. I understand where freemasons came from and yes there is no need for them as there is no need for a lot of things when it comes down to the basics but Allah did put you in a family, a society and a now and learning is a big tenant of the Muslim faith. Some learning is more difficult than other and you add more knowledge at a price but never will Allah loose you when you stick to your faith. The base is to know Allah the Merciful!

On the question of membership and agnostic, may Allah be Merciful to him and let him find the path.

Membership is usually by invitation only, you have 2 sponsors and you go through a period of learning and progress from stage to stage. While good moral standing is a requirement, Masons are generally not richer than non-masons. I have not found many agnostics or atheists in the freemasons,the way to full membership is often challenging, especially for a muslim who has to find a way to understand "form".

Religious proselythism is frowned upon, at least I have not found any within my lodge.

I would not send a searching soul to the Masons and not someone who is set in his ways.

Walk your Path in Allah and be open to learn, listen to Allah when Shaitan crosses your way and you will be able to prevail. Temptation will cross your path at all times in all shapes and it is your task not to fail in the face of temptation. Theorie will not help you in this Case, only you walking yourself with Allah in your life will allow to maintain the good conduct in the face of Quran.

So like I said before a Freemason Lodge is not for the Muslim who is still searching or is not stabil in his faith. Freemasonry is not a religion, there is no rule against Islam.
Dec 04, 2012
 Deception
by: Ali Al Abdullah

Assalamueleikum wa rahmatullahi wa barackatu. Do not associate any partners with Allah (s.w.t).The man who worships two masters at two dsifferent temples is doomed in this life and damned in the next.
Dec 09, 2012
 do not limit Allah
by: rrl

Ali Al Abdullah,

don't you think that restricting Allah is a little bit outside of the scope of humanity? Being a Freemason will not make you worshipping 2 masters, they are neither a religion nor do they ask you to turn away from Allah, in contrary faith is valued highly and putting out a helping hand to humanity is not frowned upon in the Quran. Faith and worship are valued but outside the scope of freemasonry, they are your personal responsibility. Religion and politics are subjects which it is well known are stringently forbidden to be introduced into Masonry.

Dec 15, 2012
 Muslim v Freemasons
by: Fred

Good evening

This is a extremely interesting topic for me as a person. I feel there is always a need to discuss with others ideas apart from religion. Such as one goes to a club / business links to meet and discuss various areas of life, business etc...

But my confusion is and I hope the Freemason contributors can help me to understand if the Freemasons are in a sense a "club"? Or are there religious aspects which collide with ones faith I.e Islam

I don't want to cause a outcry from fellow Muslims but I think I am allowed to ask questions and I hope I can get a answer from the Freemason community.

Regards



Dec 16, 2012
 Freemasonry is not a Religion
by: ni seag

Basic Principles. Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It requires of its members a belief in God as part of the obligation of every responsible adult, but advocates no sectarian faith or practice. Masonic ceremonies include prayers, both traditional and extempore, to reaffirm each individual's dependence on God and to seek divine guidance. Freemasonry is open to men of any faith, but religion may not be discussed at Masonic meetings.

The Supreme Being. Masons believe that there is one God and that people employ many different ways to seek, and to express what they know of God. Masonry primarily uses the appellation, "Grand Architect of the Universe," and other non-sectarian titles, to address the Deity. In this way, persons of different faiths may join together in prayer, concentrating on God, rather than differences among themselves. Masonry believes in religious freedom and that the relationship between the individual and God is personal, private, and sacred.

Volume of the Sacred Law. An open volume of the Sacred Law, "the rule and guide of life," is an essential part of every Masonic meeting. The Volume of the Sacred Law in the Judeo/Christian tradition is the Bible; to Freemasons of other faiths, it is the book held holy by them.

The Oath of Freemasonry. The obligations taken by Freemasons are sworn on the Volume of the Sacred Law. They are undertakings to follow the principles of Freemasonry and to keep confidential a Freemason's means of recognition. The much discussed "penalties," judicial remnants from an earlier era, are symbolic, not literal. They refer only to the pain any honest man should feel at the thought of violating his word.

Freemasonry Compared with Religion. Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion: (a) It has no dogma or theology, no wish or means to enforce religious orthodoxy. (b) It offers no sacraments. (c) It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge, or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition, not with the means of salvation.

Freemasonry Supports Religion. Freemasonry is far from indifferent toward religion. Without interfering in religious practice, it expects each member to follow his own faith and to place his Duty to God above all other duties. Its moral teachings are acceptable to all religions.
Dec 25, 2012
 don't become one
by: Anonymous

subhan-allah you are a muslim there is no need for you to become one.

May Allah guide you to the right path
Jan 19, 2013
 dnt b stupid people.
by: Anonymous

The worst thing U could ever do, sell your soul to the devil. I thank the Al-Mighty Allah for saving me from selling my soul to the devil. Satan plays so many tricks with you. I was an ignorant Muslim when I joined, but something kept showing me this is wrong. If it wasn't for me meeting this Muslim man from Cyprus. I would have sold my soul and would have been among the cursed ones. Masonary is all about worshiping the Satan. And masonsry is all about deception. Just the same way Adam and Eve where tricked into eating an apple from the forbidden Tree. And a Muslim can NEVER BE A MASON AND MUSLIM.as a Muslim U live to build ur afterlife not ur worldly life. Either be a good Muslim, good heart, good intention, pray five times. N remember ur Creator. Not no supreme being. We know our creator thru the beloved Muhammad S.A.W. The best of examples. Just ask urself if the prophet was stood here n U said U wanted to become a mason?? U wudnt wud U so there's ur answer. Bad times are coming. I cannot beleive people would actually fall for this. We live in such a brainwashed society. We go to forums on the net for to get our questions answered. It could be anyone behind the screen. N lastly. Tim who are U trying to kid. Go on YouTube and type masons confessing, ex masons. So they're all lying now. Everyone wake up before ots to late. The Satan mankinds enemy..
Mar 20, 2013
 new muslim mason
by: Muslim Mason

I am proud to be a muslim and have recently joined the free Masons, i was confronted buy a few close family members in doing so, but when i read more about it i understood afterall, freemasons are not evil devil worshippers etc inface in their membership form it even mentions if u beleive in a supreme creator such as GOD / ALLAH...!!!
Apr 11, 2013
 I'm a Muslim and a Freemasons.
by: Muhamad Yaakub

Assalammualaikum my Muslim Brothers.

As a Muslim, I am obligated to answer some of your answers regarding Freemasonry. I could assure you in the name of Allah S.W.T, there is nothing wrong with freemasonry. It is compatible with Islam in anyway. Freemasonry could not only help me to know myself, but also to do good deeds, promote truth and happiness within the boundaries of Islam.

At first, I was hesitated to join this Fraternity as some of you did encouraged me before that Freemasonry is worshipping the devil. Those rumor's are not true. Freemasonry is not a religion, but to become one, you need to have your own religion, and mine, Islam.

In Islam, we were thought that Fitna is a greater sin than Murder, so, as a Muslim Brother, I advice you to carefully measure your words, especially within topic that you've known nothing about.

Regards,
Apr 21, 2013
 the comments refering to Sheikh Imran Hosein
by: ni seag

Sheikh Imran Hosein comments are showing not knowledge but the pursuit of old conspiracy theory and propaganda.

Do your own homework and look at reality, not at someones theories.

and read up on Abdelkader El Djezairi
Jun 27, 2013
 From Freemasonry to Islam
by: Najim

Dear Brothers,

Thanks to Freemasonry, I discovered Islam, Mashallah.
I am now a proud Muslim and my faith helps me understand better Freemasonry since I converted.

Freemasonry is not a religion but a great complement to religion. It acts as a lever for religion.

Freemasonry is absolutely not secret! We believe in one God and do charity and are very open. Just go to your nearby Masonic Lodge and ask for a visit. It will dissipate the veil of ignorance.

I love my Brother Masons and my Brother Muslims.

Salam

Bro. Najim
Jun 30, 2013
 QUIERO SABER SI PUEDO SER MASON
by: C. ALBERTO

1.-¿UN MEXICANO PUEDE SER MASON?
2.-¿QUE REQUISITOS NECESITO PARA SER MASON?
3.-EN MEXICO EXISTEN MASONES Y ELLOS PUEDEN INFORMARNOS?
Jul 06, 2013
 Mexican Masons
by: ni seag

sure, look these up:
Gran Capítulo de Masones del Real Arco de México
Gran Consejo de Masones Crípticos de México
Gran Comandancia de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos

http://www.yorkmexico.org/inicio.php
Jul 07, 2013
 Grand Lodge Valle de Mexico
by: Tim

And below is the Web address for the Grand Lodge Valle de Mexico Web site.

http://www.mrglvm.org/index1.html

Best regards and good fortune in your journey,

Tim
Aug 07, 2013
 Dont do it if you are a true muslim. Contradiction.
by: Anonymous

Masons worship the sun. The sun is the eastern star. When the world was in darkness God said let there be light. Masons always talk about enlightenment. The angel who tryed to overthrow God was the most beautiful angel which was Gods right hand man. That angel was Lucipher. The wordif looked up in the dictionary means light bearer or enlughtened one. Lucipher provided light to the world when God said let there be light. This was the same serpent who talked eve into eating from the tree of knowledge. This is the same serpent used as a symbol in medical fields as acknowledgement of that field. The sun rises to the east . Lucipher is the sun. Most masons we know are not on the level high enough to even know the truth of the organization. They talk brotherhood and fellowship but they are just pawns who dont know the real mission of freemasonry. Masory has been infiltrated by illuminist who have another agenda. One world rule.
Aug 08, 2013
 For my Muslim brother ASAK
by: Anonymous

ASAK Wow my Muslim brother your comment was very interesting . I am practicing Muslim and a 32 degree master mason. I can assure you that the information that you just stated is very off based. So if all mason are evil and worship the devil. That mean a great many of Muslim leader such as Yasser Arafat for example who was a 33rd master mason. Is a devil worshiper??? This man spent his life fighting for the rights of people until the day Allah (swa) sent the two angels to bring him back to his creator . So brother I'm as high as you can go as Mason. There is only one degree left that I can earn. There is no devil worship going on in Freemason. :-) Ramandan Kareem
Aug 26, 2013
 Albert Pike the most famous Mason
by: Anonymous

This is part am excerpt from a letter that Albert Pike wrote. "That which we must say to the crowd is - we worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General (of the 33rd degree), we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd , 31st and 30th degrees - The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.

If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay, the God of the Christians, whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two Gods: darkness being necessary to light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive." To say that Masons are not of the luciferian doctrine and that they do not worship Lucifer, is misleading and frankly a lie. If you believe this then it is because you are a low level mason. My Muslim brothers, do not fall for the lies of shaytan.
Aug 29, 2013
 sin
by: Anonymous

Any muslim who knowingly becomes a mason is under islamic law guilty of commiting shirk.
Aug 31, 2013
 The "Luciferian Doctrine" hoax
by: Tim

Dear Anonymous regarding Albert Pike,

The supposed excerpt that you provide above is a part of what is called the "Luciferian Doctrine." This episode which purported that Lucifer was the God of
Masonry was a hoax created by Léo Taxil (Gabriel Antoine Jogand-Pagès) in
the late 1800's. While he publically confessed to the hoax in 1897 people
did, and still do, belive it and repeat it without going to the trouble to
verify it. Over the past 100+ years many authors have fallen prey to the temptation to publish this proven hoax as truth without doing a whif of research to verify it. Welcome to the club.

If you are interested in the truth here is a Web link for the story of the hoax including sources:

Is It True What They Say About Freemasonry?

And, here is a link to a full reproduction of Taxil's confession to the
hoax:

Leo Taxil's confession to the Luciferian Doctrine hoax against Freemasonry.

Of course, if your interests lie only in slandering Freemasonry with false accusations without regard for truth then nothing I, or anyone else, may say will change that.

Thank you for visiting Masonsmart,

Tim
Aug 31, 2013
 Sin?
by: ni seag

See that somone believes that Muslim Freemasons are commiting shirk. In Islam, shirk (Arabic: شرك‎ širk) refers to the sin of practicing idolatry or polytheism, i.e. the deification or worship of anyone or anything other than the singular God. Literally, it means the establishment of "partners" placed beside God.

Freemasons do not do that. The deepen the social understanding and responsibility but they neither tamper with the 5 pillars of islam nor do the set up idols or see themselves or anyone else as partner of Allah.
Sep 09, 2013
 Yes you can be a mason and a muslim
by: Anonymous

My bro
You can be a mason and a muslim in the mean time
I am a mason
And iam a muslim
You believe in god
You believe in prophets
Masons are a society not intefering with religons
Oct 01, 2013
 masonry
by: Sari

-Bismi Allah Raham Rahim-
If they say that freemasonry its all about brotherhood and charity then where is the need to allied with them when Islam has already and even more... there is no point at all worship God and do what he says to do there in no need at ALL to join other kind of groups regardless of what they teach....
Oct 01, 2013
 whats the problem
by: Anonymous

what is the problem, all we say is that you can be a muslim and a freemason, we never said you have to be, there are many groups which are charitable and looking out for the betterment of humanity. You can be a solitary muslim and you can be a social muslim or in between, but engaging society is part of islam and so complimentary membership is allowed as long as you are not going against the pillars of islam.
Oct 14, 2013
 Muslim masons in North America
by: 32 ldegree mason

.i as a mason would welcome any one of any faith into my lodge.
The problem I see with Muslims being masons is fairly involved. First Muslims hate and dispise democracy. This in itself is enough to eliminate you from the free world masonic lodges, as we promise to never go against our country or government.
The basic tenets of Islam are all anti democracy and free world. Why would a Muslim even want to join a fraternity that is opposite his beliefs.
Seems to me a little strange
Oct 14, 2013
 Can't see it happening
by: Anonymous

The freemasons accept everyone from any faith into their lodges. The Muslim would be able to join.
I see an issue here though , Muslims hate democracy as described in the Koran . It goes against one of their most sacred beliefs. My question is why would a practicing muslim do this. It is very hypicritical to be praying for one thing and then taking vows not to go against your government. Which in North America is a democracy.
So that in itself seems strange That a Muslim to promise to Allah one thing then turn around and promise the opposite to god.
Seems maybe this young man has other motives, or is just very confused
Oct 14, 2013
 All seems like roses
by: Anonymous

My problem is the ambiguity of professing love for Allah and the quoran
And taking vows to protect country and govt with the masons.
When the quoran clearly states it's hatred for democracy. This is entry level question time.
What's it gonna be, one or the other. It cannot be both
Oct 15, 2013
 Confusion
by: Tim

Dear Anonymous "32 ldegree mason,"

First, America is not a democracy. We are a republic.

Second, please direct us to the portion of the Quran that describes Islam's hatred of democracy.

Third, the obligations of Blue Lodge Freemasonry say nothing about not going against the government. The history of our war for independence, the framing of our constitution, and the formation of our constitutional government all included dedicated patriots, freedom-fighters, and Freemasons. Being a Freemason does not bind one to blindly obey the government. In fact, quite the opposite. In the additional bodies of the Scottish Rite we are taught to battle tyranny wherever we find it, even in our own house.

Fourth, why do you refer to God and Allah as two separate entities? Do you believe in more than one supreme being? There is only one. We may call Him by different names; we may worship Him in different manners; we may relate to Him in different ways, but there is only one.

I can not help but wonder who it is that is confused.
Oct 21, 2013
 thats right
by: Niseag

Tim is right, in all my time in Grand Oriente and our associated Master Lodge I have not seen a non-compatibility with my faith and I am a Moslem and Sufi (my Sheik belonged to the Naqshibandi in Peshawar and yes I did run it by him). Shukri Abed wrote a nice article summoning the discussion paramenters of Democracy and Islam, there are other papers, I myself believe that Democracy and Faith have to come together, just the plain old Democracy will not serve Humanity and in that there are a lot of Freemasons who share that sentiment.
Mar 03, 2014
 Bad deeds under freemansoniry
by: Darko

Great topic.

I am a born ortodox christian and lived in place of earth where Islam was presented as a very bad thing (considering history of wars that took place in past) until one night I had a vision and read Kuran in my dream. Then i looked for it and since then I realized the truth.

Since I have been witness of all bad things that happened to people in my former country where unseen forces used most sacred values of Religion (regardless of domination it was just a matter of which one was more prominent in population) I can not help my self noticing that people who took place in all those bad deeds where actually Masons accepted in lodge.

That gave me doubts about Freemasons in general. I understand that I should not make general opinions but...

Anyway who ever gave answers here to our brothers muslims who had little knowledge but lot of fears did a good thing. Rare to find online.

Regards
Mar 25, 2014
 knowledge
by: brother Richardson(mm)

Im a god fearing man and a master mason, i feel anything that can make you a better as a person husband,father, wife, as an individual man or women.seek that knowledge whether its in islam,masonry,christianity,buddaism,or judaism.All praises due to the creator.knowledge comes from reading instead of speaking.you are the ship but the al-mighty is the caption of All OUR SHIPS!!!!!!!!!!.somotobe
Mar 25, 2014
 Very well put brother
by: Anonymous

So mote it be!
Mar 25, 2014
 Very well put brother
by: Anonymous

So mote it be!
Mar 31, 2014
 I don't see any harm.
by: Anonymous

Salamalakum fellow brother & sisters,

I met a mason Muslim person. Strong faith, daily prayers, goes to Friday Jumah, what is honestly wrong? He's more Muslim than I am mashallah and an excellent role model. I'm 25 and interested in the mason organization solely only because the benefits of title & helping the fellow man or woman. They don't condone haram, interfere with your belief practice, or discuss politics.

I should also strongly mention they only accept applicants whom believe only single faith (mono theism religion). They don't allow the discussion of religions or politics within the organization for a reason. Simply put, it's to better one's self, not walking a dark path away from SWT Allah. I've been researching them for almost 5 years all I see is conspiracy theorists making them look bad.
Apr 11, 2014
 Muslim Mason
by: Anonymous

If a Muslim joins a group such as the Freemasons, doesn't it go against the Islamic concept of Al Wala' Wal Bara'?
Apr 11, 2014
 Al Wala Wal Bara
by: Ni Seag

Al Wala' Wal Bara' means, on one hand, drawing near to what is pleasing to Allah and His Messenger and, on the other hand, withdrawing from what is displeasing to Allah and His Messenger. A very good book on thaat matter can be found at http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/alWalaawalBaraa1.pdf

And no, Freemasonry is not against the Faith because the Masons will not dispute your faith, nor hinder its expression in word, action or prayer, but will support it.
Apr 11, 2014
 Al walaa wal baraa
by: Anonymous

Thank you for the extremely informative link on the topic. I suggest every Muslim, whether part of the FreeMasons or not, should read it.

Regards.
Apr 16, 2014
 I wanna be a mason
by: Muneera

Hi everyone..
My name is muneera 18 years old and I really wanna be a mason can someone help me?

Email:sweet_marmar97@hotmail.com

Thankyou..:)
Apr 21, 2014
 Membership
by: Ni Seag

Really depends where you are, not every lodge is open to female members
Jul 05, 2014
 Don't join them, be friends, or be unaware of Masons around u!
by: Anonymous

Every Mason that I know and I know a few , inwardly and outwardly express there hatred for all religions. If you become one of them you will knowingly or unknowingly be helping them to destroy our ummah. Mason infiltrate faith's, pollute them with paganism and idols, then dub them a new title creating various sects.
Jul 07, 2014
 Answer can you leave?
by: Amir

1/The Entered Apprentice degree

2/The Fellow Craft degree

3/The Master Mason degree

Above are the first,second and third degrees that One goes through before becoming a Freemason i.e. "the master mason"

Answer: You can NOT leave freemasonry when you reach "3/The Master Mason degree"

The last opportunity to leave is when your a 2/The Fellow Craft degree. that is FACT my Muslims brothers.

Notice, the Freemasons in this forum whom "claim" to be Muslim state:

"I'm a Freemason and a Muslim"

your answer: this sentiment states they put freemasonry first and Islam second.

Islam is second to none my brothers.

Allah is second to none my brothers.

These people are not Muslim, some of them may truly believe they are.Allah is must merciful and forgiving, may he forgive and genuinely enlighten those whom believe in Allah and Muhammad (PBUH): صلى الله عليه وسلم

If you are a Muslim you must not join Freemasonry. Very simple, you already know this.

Islam will offer you everything, freemasonry cant.

Those in the Blue lodges are deprived from the truth.

Lots of freemasonry are every good people, but we are at war with these societies and organizations of secret proceedings and demonic agenda and world governance, we have know this 1.800 years ago.

(**No True Muslim should "EVER" considering actively joining nor participation**).

Number 1 in your life and the hereafter is Allah.

You truly want your answer: use your conscience to give you your answer. Allah has taken away the conscience of Freemasons.

Freemasonry swear to believe in a supreme being a one monolithic god, they truly believe in the blue lodges, they have been taken astray.My god guide them back to the righteous path and give them truth in knowledge.

My muslams brothers and Sisters.
سلام عليكم) As-salamu alaykum

Amir
Jul 08, 2014
 so much lack of knowledge
by: Ni Seag

Amir,

When talking about a subject you put that first, we are talking about Freemasons, do not give the grammar more meaning than it has, Allah comes first, and Freemasons understand that. It is a given and not talked about, in fact it is a matter which is not up for discussion and yes you can leave the Lodge any time for any reason, there is no such restriction in the by-laws (would be illegal anyway)
Jul 08, 2014
 Politics and religion
by: Anonymous

Ni Seag,

Unfortunately it’s not up for discussion as one of the laws within any given recognised Lodge is a restriction of speaking about politics and religion respectfully. It’s important to examine the grammar in every sense, not to scrutinise it, however as to correctly determine its message.

Members of the order, can change lodges anytime, i.e. leave one lodge for another. You can be affiliated with more than one lodge also. But you can’t leave once you are a master mason, that information was stated by a grand master in one of the oldest "grand lodges" in the world.
Jul 08, 2014
 actually
by: Niseag

The procedure to renounce Freemasonry is simple. Simply notify the members of the lodge in writing, stating that you are renouncing Freemasonry and tell them in clear terms that you never want anything to do with it now, or at any time in the future. Tell them you no longer are a Mason. They have no legal, moral or other means to compel you to continue. In addition no one compels you to go there.

There have been Masons, yes also Master Masons, leaving their Lodges and Freemasonry all together. There have been Christians who left for the same reason some Muslims bring up. The argument is old and goes back to a specific reading of texts.
You find a discussion here:
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/masndmit.htm
Jul 14, 2014
 Democracy
by: Anonymous

Islam is a democratic belief system, where we all have an equal say.. There are many extremist that judges everyone who is not muslim, when Nabi (S.A.W) lived amoungst jews and christians and did not persecute them for their beliefs.. Yes there were battles aswell, but it was because they sought to destroy the prophet.. Today muslims are disgracing Islam by mistreating those who do not follow Islam.. I say that Allah has given us free will and we should not judge each other because "you shall be judged as you judge others" if the masons truely respect each others beliefs like they say then they have followed a command of Allah and Nabi (s.a.w), until i know the truth about them, i will not judge.. Allah knows best
Jul 31, 2014
 No.....way
by: Zahra

To all muslims be carefull with this kind people people are jas after money its no longer a secreat its not a religion...realy then what the hell are they doing rituals we been warned that hypocrets will be among us ther right here trying excuse what there doing its not right and it will never be but they ll always be those who are hungry for money they do anything for it
Jul 31, 2014
 ahem
by: Niseag

so only after the money? I did not see that one coming, read the facts and experience reality, following conspiracy theories will not help you on the path of Islam
Aug 01, 2014
 4ever learning
by: Anonymous

Hello to all,

If you are Muslim and you take part in prayer in a Masonic hall, do you face the direction of Qiblah? What do you recite in your prayers? Do you all pray in the same way at the same time? Is there a prayer leader? Is there a prayer structure?

Why is the Made in Australia sign within a pyramid shape?
Why is the Made in New Zealand sign within a pyramid shape?

Thank you in advance
Aug 02, 2014
 Freemasonry does not violate Islam
by: Anonymous

Freemasons say, having trust in God fear not what man can do to you. Freemasonry encourages whatever faith you have. I am Mohammad Faisel Khan and i am a very high level mason
Aug 02, 2014
 hm
by: Niseag

we have a separate prayer room with all the facilities and its built to specs for muslim prayer, know quite a few who have that but also some who don't, which is no problem for them since they have no muslim members
Aug 03, 2014
 Islam & Freemsaonry
by: 4ever learning

Hello to all,

From what you have described this sounds like a version of zikr?
During Ramadan do you visit the Masonic hall instead of attending the Taraweh prayer?
Do you visit the Masonic hall instead of any of the 5 prayers?
What are we to gain from praying with people who are not Muslim and do not believe in the Quran?
What are we to gain from collaborating with non Muslims inside these halls?

Thank you in advance
Aug 03, 2014
 why
by: Niseag

You do not go to the Lodge for Prayer, the room and facility for the islamic prayer is for the members to use when they are there and you want to pray as advised.
Aug 04, 2014
 4ever learning
by: Anonymous

Hello to all,
I am trying to understand although I don't seem to be receiving much substance from the answers posted.

Are the Druids the first account of Freemasons?

What are your thoughts on the illuminati?

Thank you in advance
Aug 04, 2014
 ?
by: Niseag

where are you coming from? Druids have nothing to do with Freemasonry and the Illuminaty while using the same structure were very far away from Freemasons, while there very cross roads the core is very different.
Aug 05, 2014
 4ever learning
by: Anonymous

Hello to all,

So would you say the illuminati is to freemasonry as to what Zionism is to jewdaism?
How does the illuminati differ from freemasonry?

Thank you in advance
Aug 07, 2014
 4ever learning
by: Anonymous

Just read an interesting part in the Quran that made me think of this page and to get some answers from what islamic Freemasons think.
Surah 3, section 19, part 187
Bismillah:
"And remember Allah took a covenant from the people of the book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; But they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made!"

My interpretation of being a person of the book, it is our job not to hide our belief or the revelations revealed to us. To make our beliefs and intention clear to mankind. I believe freemasonry to be in breach of this. As nothing about freemasonry is clear or known to mankind.

Interested in your thoughts.

Thanking you in advance
Aug 07, 2014
 freemasonry
by: amba

Im amba,im a filipino muslim from philippines. Im willing to join mason not to surrender my religion to mason.because it is very clear that a freemason is not a religion.thank you
Aug 07, 2014
 Common confusion
by: Tim

4ever learning,
You seem to be confusing Freemasonry with Religion. It is not a religion, nor is it to be a substitute for religion. It has no dogma; it offers no path to salvation. It is only religious in nature in that Freemasonry encourages its members to follow the religious faith of their choosing.

There is nothing about Freemasonry that is unclear or unknown. Even our 'secrets' are easily found online. Freemasons have endeavored to explain Freemasonry for centuries, and continue to do so to this day. The conspiracy theorists, scammers and anti-Masons muddy the waters to the point that Freemasons are reduced to trying to prove a negative. How do we prove the things said about us are untrue to those unwilling to find out for themselves. Conspiracy theories are interesting, exciting, intriguing; the truth often is not.

I also find your choice of terms in an earlier post interesting. When you ask, "What are we to gain from collaborating with non Muslims inside these halls?" The only collaboration among Freemasons is to help, aid and assist our neighbor, community, and by extention the whole of mankind. The Masonic fraternity is not a religious organization; it is a social organization. Is it your contention that followers of one religion can gain nothing through social interaction with those of another?

Thank you for your questions.
Aug 09, 2014
 4ever learning
by: Anonymous

Tim,
Well said and nice try. You almost had me until I noticed a common theme.
1. There were no answers to my questions.
2. You seemed to read off the same script as previous posters regarding conspiracies, we are not a religion etc etc.
3. No explanation when the Quran is quoted.

Okay so freemasonry is here to make us a better whatever religion we are. Good stuff but this is where it gets interesting..... For us to be Freemasons and better our religious beliefs we have to apply and wait to maybe be excepted. And if excepted we have to pay money to join. What? Who are you to judge whether I am able to improve my religious beliefs and understanding? And who are you to charge me for wanting to do so? Guess what buddy it ain't up to you and you old dudes in weird gowns to determine how far my religious beliefs and journey expands, Astaghfurallah for thinking you have the power and right to do so! How could you believe in this?

If you guys were really to improve everyones belief in religion you would except people no matter whom and what! Not only select the 'prime' examples! And would not charge for this either!

You also stated:
"The only collaboration among Freemasons is to help, aid and assist our neighbor, community, and by extention the whole of mankind. The Masonic fraternity is not a religious organization; it is a social organization. Is it your contention that followers of one religion can gain nothing through social interaction with those of another?"

This is all correct, help our neighbour and community. But how are you helping and in what way? Helping your own agenda when you gather inside secret halls with a secret membership which you have to be excepted into? And sounds oddly like the foundations of most religious beliefs. But you guys aren't a religion right? Who are you trying to confuse now?

If you guys are really here to improve religious beliefs, where did the Freemason teachings originate from?
Aug 09, 2014
 Truth does not change
by: Tim

4ever learning,
Thank you, but what does it mean that I almost had you, and for what purpose would I want to get you?

1. Regarding no answers to your questions. My apologies. I was responding to your most recent post and then strayed into an earlier one that I found interesting. So, let me see if I can help.

I believe Niseag has answered your questions regarding Muslim prayer within a Masonic hall.

"Why is the Made in Australia sign within a pyramid shape?"
The pyramid shape is not a Masonic symbol. The symbol we use is the equalateral triangle. The meanings of this shape as a symbol are many: equalateral because all men are created equal; because equal distribution of weight (or load) results in the strongest possible structure; three sides to represent the three degrees of Masonry, the three principle officers of a lodge, the three stages of life, youth, manhood and age. However, the Masonic fraternity does not own any of its symbols including the triangle. They are used as teaching instruments. They represent ideas and as symbols they impress these ideas upon the heart and mind more readily than spoken or written word. As to why the Made in Australia sign is within a pyramid shape, you'd have to ask the designers of the logo. I have no idea.

Why is the Made in New Zealand sign within a pyramid shape?
Same answer, except that it doesn't really look like a pyramid to me. To me it looks more like an igloo, but that wouldn't really make sense for New Zealand. Maybe a cone-shaped hat?

Again. I think Niseag has succinctly answered your question regarding the Druids being the first account of Freemasons. Let me just add that the recorded history of Freemasonry goes back only a few centuries. Prior to that is legend made up of allegory, myth, and perhaps a sprinkling of actual history. No one knows for sure, including Freemasons.

Regarding the Illuminati: I have no thoughts on the Illuminati other than to say that if possible they have been even more abused by the conspiracy theorists and scammers than have the Masons. I am not an Illuminate, or whatever their membership is called. Therefore, for me to attempt to compare, contrast or in any way comment on their order would be comparable to a non-Mason expressing alledged knowledge of Freemasonry when they actually know nothing.

2. "You seemed to read off the same script as previous posters regarding conspiracies, we are not a religion etc etc."

We seem to be reading from the same script because truth does not change.

3. "No explanation when the Quran is quoted."

Freemasonry is not a religion, nor does it endorse or conflict with any religion. I don't know how to put it any plainer. It's a set of philosophical teachings. It simply encourages its members to faithfully practice the religion of their own choosing. That's it; that's all. That is the full and complete involvement of Freemasonry with religion.

Now, on to your most recent accusations because you no longer seem to be interested in learning, if indeed that was ever your true purpose in posting to this page.

It seems as if we're talking about two completely different subjects. I'm talking about the fraternal order of Freemasons, and I don't even recognize what you're talking about. Freemasonry is a set of philosophical teachings designed to assist a person in living a life of dignity and honor. It has no goal or purpose whatsoever regarding religious beliefs. There are religious leaders for that.

The Masonic fraternity is a private fraternal organization. We raise funds for charities; we do charitable works within our communities; we fund and operate hospitals and clinics. Our members are accepted based on the nature of their character and a freely expressed belief in the supreme being. As a private organization we retain the right to accept or reject petitioners based on these criteria. To do otherwise would be detrimental to the organization as a whole.

Further and of higher priority, Freemasons are expected to be able to support themselves and their family. Participation in the Masonic lodge takes time and money. A man who can ill afford to provide for his family and participate in lodge will be better off applying his time to the improvement of his circumstances.

The teachings of Freemasonry are nothing new or unique. They are philosophical teachings for an honorable life. Freemasonry simply uses the tools and emblems of operative stone masonry to teach and impress these lessons. You ask from where do they originate. To answer that question we would have to know from where did the notions of honor, honesty, dignity, compassion, charity, peace, harmony originate? My best guess would be that the teachings of Freemasonry originated with the first utterance of: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

Bear in mind that no one speaks for Freemasonry. These are my own opinions based on study and years of pondering.

I don't know where you're getting your information regarding Freemasonry but it's twisted and skewed. Unfortunately, you seem more interested in attaching Freemasonry to religion than actually learning. Perhaps you're only misinformed; perhaps you have an agenda. I don't know which, but based on your last couple of posts I wonder if your handle, 4ever learning, shouldn't be changed to never listening.

Thank you for contributing to the discussion.
Aug 09, 2014
 Muslim Freemason
by: Peter


- Basic Tenets of Faith » Schools of Thought and Religions.
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34576: Freemasonry and ruling on joining the Masons
What is Freemasonry, and what is the ruling on it in Islam? What is the ruling on joining the Masons?.
Praise be to Allaah.
Freemasonry is a secret political society whose goal is to put an end to all religions and good morals, and to replace them with man-made laws and non-religious systems. It strives to provoke ongoing revolutions and to replace one regime with another, on the basis of its call for freedom of thought and freedom of belief. This is what they have stated clearly.

This is what was announced by one of them in the Students’ Conference held in 1865 CE in the city of Liege which is considered to be one of the centers of Freemasonry. He said:

Man must prevail over God, and declare war on Him. He should demolish the heavens and tear them like paper.

It says in the Masonic Grand Lodge (1922, p. 98): We will strengthen the freedom of individual thought with all the powers at our disposal, and we will declare war against the real enemy of man, which is religion.

The Masons say that Masonry takes the human soul as its object of worship.

They say: It is not enough for us to prevail over the religious people and their places of worship, rather our basic goal is to wipe them out of existence.

Minutes of the World Masonic Conference, 1903 CE, p. 102.

They say: Freemasonry will take the place of religion and its Lodges will take the place of places of worship… and there are many other statements which clearly point to the intensity of their enmity towards religion and their uncompromising war on religion.

The Freemasons are one of the most ancient secret societies which still exist and its origins are still unknown to many people and are still unknown to many of their members, because the plots of their leaders are very secret and hidden and they are so keen to conceal their plots and aims. Therefore most of their affairs are conducted verbally, with no written record.

When they want to write an idea or announce it to the public, it is first subjected to the scrutiny of Masonic censors who decide whether it may be released or not. The foundations of Freemasonry were based on theories taken from several sources, mostly from Jewish traditions.

This is supported by the fact that Jewish ideas and teachings were taken as the basis for the founding of the Grand Lodge in 1717 CE with its principles and symbols. The Masons still venerate the Jew Hiram and the temple that he built, from which they take the design of the Masonic lodges in the world. The greatest Masonic leaders are Jews and form the backbone of the Masonic movement, and they are the ones who represent Jewish organizations in Masonic lodges. It is to them that the spread of Masonry and global cooperation between Freemasons is to be attributed. They are the driving force behind Freemasonry and this Jewish elite are leading different secret cells, running their affairs and directing them secretly as they wish. This is supported by a report in the Masonic Acacia magazine (1908, issue no. 66) which says that there is no Masonic lodge that is free of Jews and that all the Jews do not follow one way or another exclusively, rather there are only principles for them to follow. And this is also the case with the Masons. Hence the Jewish synagogues are our [Masons’] support and we find many Jews among the Freemasons.

This is also supported by what it says in the Masonic publications: that the Jews are certain that the best means of destroying religion is Freemasonry. The history of the Masons is similar to the history of the Jews in belief. Their symbol is the six-pointed Star of David. The Jews and the Freemasons both consider themselves to be the spiritual sons of the builders of the Temple of Solomon. The Freemasonry which distorts other religions lends full support to Judaism and its followers. The Jews took advantage of people’s simple-mindedness and good intentions, and infiltrated Freemasonry and reached high positions within it, thus they breathed a Jewish spirit into the Masonic lodges and subjugated them to their own aims.

One of the clearest indications of their intense desire to conceal their plans to destroy religions and provoke political revolutions is what it says in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, where it says: we will concentrate these cells under a single leadership that is known to us alone. This leadership will be composed of our scholars and these cells will have special representatives, so that the true location of our leadership will be concealed. This leadership alone will have the right to decide who will speak, and to draw up the plans of the day. In these cells we will plan to lay traps for all the socialists and classes of revolutionary society. Most of the secret political plans are known to us and we will decide when to implement them. But the agents of the international secret police will be members of these cells. When the conspiracies start throughout the world, that will mean that one of our most dedicated agents will be at the head of these conspiracies and of course we will be the only people to direct the Masonic plans. We are the only people who know how to direct them and we know the ultimate goal of each action, whilst the illiterates – meaning non-Jews – are ignorant of most of these things, especially Masonry, and they can only see the immediate results of what they are doing.

And there is other evidence which points to the strong connection between the Jews and the Masons, and the cooperation between the two parties in revolutionary conspiracies and stirring up destructive movements. Even though Freemasonry outwardly appears to be a call to freedom of belief, tolerance and social reform in general, in fact it is really a call for permissiveness and destructive factors which cause social disintegration and the loosening of bonds between nations and destruction of religion and morals and the spread of mischief.

Based on this, any Muslim who joins a Masonic group knowing the true nature of Freemasonry and its secrets, and carries out its rituals and is keen to do so, is a kaafir who should be asked to repent. If he repents, all well and good, otherwise he is to be put to death and if he dies in that state then his recompense will be that of the kaafirs. Whoever joins the Freemasons but does not know what they really are, or know about their plots against Islam and the Muslims, and their spreading evil and the evil that they are planning against everyone who tries to bring people together and reform nations, and he joins them in their general activities and talk that does not apparently contradict Islam, is not a kaafir, rather he is excused in general because of their concealing their true nature from him, and because he does not share their basic beliefs or aims. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Acts are but by intentions, and each man will have but that which he intended.”

But he must disavow himself of them when he finds out what they really are, and he must tell people about their real nature and strive to spread their secrets and their plots against the Muslims, so that this will cause a scandal for them and will undermine their efforts. The Muslim should surround himself with good people who will cooperate with him in his religious and worldly affairs. He should be far-sighted in choosing close friends so that he will be safe from being tempted by these apparently attractive ideas and be safe from the evil consequences of honeyed words, and so he will not fall into the traps of the people of shirk which they set up to ensnare those who are easily deceived, follow their whims and desires and are weak.
Aug 10, 2014
 ahem
by: Niseag

Allah is Great!

Repeating faulty sayings will not make them right. Just because one Freemason is going that faulty road, does not mean Freemasons in general do that.
You will find people like that in every society, yes you even find them in Saudi Arabia.

Allah keep you safe and open minded
Aug 10, 2014
 Re: Muslim Freemason
by: Tim

Hello Peter,
and thank for contributing to the discussion.

As you have neglected to cite the source of your post, please allow me the liberty of doing so now. The post above appears to have been copied directly from the Islam Question and Answer website (http://islamqa.info/en/34576).

Unfortunately, there is no information on that site to indicate it's origin or author(s). It states that it is, "From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 2/312-315." However, I have been unable to locate any official or corroborating source for this statement.

What we do know is this: the post cites as one of it's sources the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The Protocol is a known antisemitic hoax that was originally published in Russia around the turn of the 20th century. It was thoroughly exposed and debunked as a hoax in 1921. Unfortunately, there continues to this day those zealots and antisemites who insist that it is a real document.
Wikipedia

My questions to you, the reader, is how much credence should we give a post that uses a known hoax as one of its primary sources? How much credence can we give to the other sources in the post which are conveniently unavailable and most likely do not exist? And, how much credence shall we give to the author who bases his conclusions regarding Freemasonry on a known hoax?
Aug 13, 2014
 4ever learning
by: Anonymous

Hello to all,

Tim, firstly I would like to thank you for your answers to my questions. As you have pointed out and my name suggests I am forever learning and after reading previous questions, I learnt the only way to get an answer with substance was to put some 'sting' into my posts, this seems to have worked.

Okay where were we, so freemasonry is here to help men become better men and the world a better place..... Great I'm all for that.
However, what I see as Haram (forbidden) from an islamic point of view is:

1. That simply being a Muslim, studying and following Islam, Hadith and spending time at the mosque is simply not enough to truly unleash our religious capabilities.... No no, the only true way to unleash our religious beliefs and be the best example of mankind is to be accepted as a Freemason.

2. Often the leaders of the Masonic lodges are referred to and have the title of: Worshipful

I have more, but am interested in your thoughts in relation to how a Muslim would perceive freemasonry as being haram (forbidden).

Thanking you in advance.
Aug 14, 2014
 Worshipfull master
by: Ni Seag

The senior officer of a Masonic Lodge is the Master, normally addressed and referred to as the "Worshipful Master" (in Scotland, and in Lodges under the Scottish Constitution, the "Right Worshipful Master"). The Worshipful Master sits in the East of the lodge room, chairs all of the business of his lodge, and is vested with considerable powers without further reference to the members.The office of Worshipful Master is the highest honor to which a lodge may appoint any of its members. The office is filled annually by election, often by secret ballot. The requirements as to who is eligible for election as Master vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but the majority of jurisdictions specify that a brother must have served as an installed Warden to qualify.

The honorific Worshipful does not suggest that the Master is worshiped, but is used in its original meaning, "worthy of respect". (Mayors and magistrates in parts of England are also traditionally called "Worshipful" or "Your Worship", as are certain bodies such as livery companies). French Masons use the word Vénérable as the honorific for their Masters.

At the conclusion of his limited term of office, a Worshipful Master is termed a Past Master.
Aug 14, 2014
 beside
by: Ni Seag

beside my comment on the Title here is how I see my Muslim duties beside the 5 Pillars, I live my life as my belief and as such try to be an example, I will not wrong anyone and interact with all humanity. Enrichment in knowledge and walking the path helps and so far I have not found my membership as a Past Master in a Lodge any hindrance to my faith, sure I met those who will never believe, those who will never understand and those who do not want to believe or understand, I always found that a shame and test to my belief, only Allah may judge if I failed the test.
Aug 14, 2014
 4ever learning
by: Anonymous

Hello to all,

Firstly Ni Seag,
Appreciate your answer and attempt at explaining what a Worshipful Master is. Truth is I did expect your answer somewhat in relation to the meaning of the title, as an 'old English' meaning does not directly relate to the modern language. Though what I did not expect and would not expect from an apparent Past Master was the blatant and direct copy and paste answer from Wikipedia.

Secondly
And this is the part that has me stumped, islamic Freemasons feel they need to join this secret brotherhood in order to attain fulfilment/enlightenment and the sense of belonging and achievement. As a convert to Islam, I do relate to this, however what I do not relate to, is seeking this outside of your religion. Instead of going to the mosque/Zikr/reading Quran, you replace this with attending the lodge with non Muslims however many times per month as this enables you to become a better man.
We are told that our prayers have more reward when performed inside a mosque, why then would you want to pray at the lodge instead of a mosque?

Thanking you in advance
Aug 14, 2014
 More Masonic misinformation...
by: Tim

4Ever Learning,

How very shrewd of you, and as you say your tactic has generated the desired results. Bravo. Perhaps I'm the one being schooled here.

Okay, on to your questions:

"1. That simply being a Muslim, studying and following Islam, Hadith and spending time at the mosque is simply not enough to truly unleash our religious capabilities.... No no, the only true way to unleash our religious beliefs and be the best example of mankind is to be accepted as a Freemason."

Now you're just making this stuff up aren't you? Freemasonry has never made such a claim. As I have said repeatedly, Freemasonry has no purpose of goal regarding religion. It encourages its members to faithfully practice the religion of their own choosing. That's it. Nothing more. It doesn't even insist, urge or cajole. It merely encourages. How, and even if, we practice our religion is a personal decision and no concern of Freemasonry.

This claim would be ridiculous on its face. The Masonic fraternity is a social organization and Freemasonry its philosophical teachings. To claim that among all the philosophical schools of thought in all the world, and throughout the history of the world, only Freemasonry is capable of achieving personal enlightenment would be comparable to claiming that among the 7,500 varieties of apple grown in the world only the Granny Smith can provide nourishment.

"2. Often the leaders of the Masonic lodges are referred to and have the title of: Worshipful"

Regardless of whether Ni Seag said it first, his information is correct. The Master of the lodge is addressed as Worshipful only as an honorific. This is a tradition that has been carried forward from earlier days when such honorifics were more common. It is similar to addressing the chairperson or president of the body.

In point of fact, there are occasions, such as the conferral of degrees, when the person performing the duties of the Master has never officially served in that office. In those instances he is still addressed as Worshipful Master because it is the proper manner of addressing the acting leader of the lodge.
Aug 14, 2014
 Freemasonry
by: Anonymous

You better no tell Hamas you are engaging in activities with the Freemasons. In their Charter they are bound to obliterate Freemasonry.

Article 17 of the Hamas Charter
The Moslem woman has a role no less important than that of the moslem man in the battle of liberation. She is the maker of men. Her role in guiding and educating the new generations is great. The enemies have realised the importance of her role. They consider that if they are able to direct and bring her up they way they wish, far from Islam, they would have won the battle. That is why you find them giving these attempts constant attention through information campaigns, films, and the school curriculum, using for that purpose their lackeys who are infiltrated through Zionist organizations under various names and shapes, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, espionage groups and others, which are all nothing more than cells of subversion and saboteurs. These organizations have ample resources that enable them to play their role in societies for the purpose of achieving the Zionist targets and to deepen the concepts that would serve the enemy. These organizations operate in the absence of Islam and its estrangement among its people. The Islamic peoples should perform their role in confronting the conspiracies of these saboteurs. The day Islam is in control of guiding the affairs of life, these organizations, hostile to humanity and Islam, will be obliterated.
Aug 29, 2014
 Muslim and a mason
by: Anonymous

Asalaam alykum,

I am a proud Muslim and mason. The way the media is spreading lies about Islam is no different than social media spreading lies about masonry. As long as I have been a mason, I found no contradictions between the two. I must say my brothers of Islam, please stop spreading rummors! It is quite easy to speak directly with a mason (we are in the phone book)- get the facts from us... if you are not sure about something, I suggesed one to do some research or refrain from spreading lies! If you are in a country where masonry is banned, you cannot join. Freemasonry is a fraternity of good men- nothing more, nothing less.

Your brother...
Sep 02, 2014
 ?
by: Anonymous

There seems to be a lot of conflicting comments regarding freemasonry and Islam. I don't have a specific view as such but I have a question.

1. Are U saying its basically a social network kind of thing that encourages people to practice their religion faithfully and become better people?

Also to all Muslims.. when we have such a strong Muslim brotherhood around us, why join the brotherhood of freemasons?

If U wanna become a better person do you really need to become a mason to do that? Join normal charity organisations, try and help more people around you..etc
If you want to become a better Muslim sit on your prayer mat, raise your hands and ask Allah to guide you and put imaan in your heart. Turn to Allah you don't need anyone to help you do this.
You only need Allah.
The whole idea of it may be with good intentions but I just don't see the purpose of it. And also, is it true you have rituals?
Sep 15, 2014
 4ever learning
by: Anonymous

Hello to everyone,

Anonymous,
You raise very credible, non biased and informative questions in which you are only trying to discover for yourself as to why Muslims would and think they are bettering themselves to join freemasonry.
The answers above or lack there of should give you all the information you require.
We seem to get the same script of: Assalamu alaikum, I have been a freemason for X amount of years and it does not clash with Islam etc etc.
Though we get this script, unfortunately we are unable to entice truthful answers to our questions.
Another person posted above: I am a freemason and a Muslim....
Exactly, they call themselves Freemasons before anything.
What is the first thing you do when you greet someone? Shake there hand and say Assalamu alaikum. So when they shake their hands the freemason way, the first and foremost thing they are telling anybody is that they are a freemason.

Your questions above are some of the best I have seen asked, and I would like to see an islamic freemason answer them, not a non Muslim trying to give his point of view.

Stay safe, wa alaikum Salam.
Sep 21, 2014
 Islam and Masons.
by: Bro. Allen

There seems to be Islamic hate preachers everywhere including here. Freemasonry unlike Islam encourages and teaches a man to think for himself and to love his fellow man. When I say love his fellow man that means the whole of mankind not just those that are Freemasons. Looking at what Islam has achieved recently I'd say it actively strives for the opposite.
Sep 21, 2014
 What Freemasonry is...
by: Tim

Dear Anonymous and 4ever learning,

The reason you're not seeing timely responses to these questions is because we have answered these same questions, or versions thereof, over and over and time again. Freemasonry is a social organization with philosophical and moral teachings. It is not a network in the sense that its members are required or expected to promote or support each other for material or social gain. Freemasons often do conduct business together but only because we have all made the same promises to conduct ourselves with honor and honesty.

Freemasonry is not a religion but it does require a belief in the Supreme Being, and its members are encouraged, though not required or expected, to actively practice the religion of their own choosing.

No one needs to become a Mason. It is a choice. Those of us who make that choice continue as a member of the fraternity because we believe it adds something to our lives. Just what that something is most likely different for each Mason. For me, I enjoy the commaraderie, the social fellowship, the friends I have made, the philosophical teachings. I believe striving to live up to those philosophical teachings of brotherly love, relief, truth, honor, and dignity has made me a better man. Did I need Freemasonry to make me a better man? No. But, I enjoy Freemasonry.

Yes, we have Masonic rituals. They consist of dramatic portrayals of allegorical teachings designed to impress upon the mind and conscience those lessons of morality, love and charity for mankind, truth, and many others. There is nothing in our rituals, when understood, with which any good man would disagree.

4ever learning,

Welcome back. You just can't help but try and stir the pot can you? You assign priority where none is intended. You make assumptions without any genuine insight. And best of all, you request that questions be answered only by those of your own religion as if no one who is not of your relgion could have anything of value to contribute. This alone demonstrates a complete lack of understanding the principles of Freemasonry. Freemasonry teaches freedom of religion, and in that freedom is the belief that good men of all faiths can work together as brothers for the betterment of all. This page is open to the comments of all, and as long as those comments are respectful, civil and constructive all are welcome.

Respectfully,

Tim
Sep 22, 2014
 My thoughts
by: Anonymous

Here are my thoughts:

With all respects to everyone who truly intends to be a good person and do true and good;

I think that a muslim might be able to get till the 32nd degree without trampling the values of our religion too much, but after that it will be finished. Lucifer is the devil. Muslims worship Allah and the devil is our enemy.

The reason freemasons want you to believe in God is because you have to have the sense to believe to be able to truly worship Satan. Someone who doesn't believe in God, doesn't believe in Satan either. I read Yasser Arafat was one, actually I think he is indeed a good example.
80% of Palestine dissapeared while he ruled Palestine with his PA. He didn't even try to save the Palestinians and was only following his Jewish masters. He was as silent as he could be while the Settlers grabbed the lands of the poor innocent people acre by acre. When he started to get old and too instable to ensure the continuety of the Jewish agenda, they got rid of him.
Freemasons have alot of power in the World, but they never fight for the lives or freedoms of genuine muslims, you go ahead and think why.

Look at Iraq, it's a product of masonry. And no this is not conspiracy, the US leaders are masons. Who would want to join a failed producer like that?

You want to be a better man? Join for example Islamic Relief. Find fun and relief in working and helping instead of gathering and secrecy.
May Allah guide you in your path.
Sep 22, 2014
 hm
by: Ni Seag

Just the good old garbage and anti-masonic arguments, nothing new. Muslim and past master mason, and eyes I opened the can of being a Sufi as well (I know another can of worms for those taught in the Wahabi way). Been a Mason now for 30 years, never once was there anything done or said against me or my faith, never impeded in me practising my faith. Sure some will say a Sufi and Muslim does not go together, but so I walk my path and will be judged like everybody else when the day comes. Making a big statement about charities, memberships etc defeats the purpose, I'm not in this to create a public image or a status.

Enough said, this discussion does not get anyone anywhere
Sep 23, 2014
 4ever learning
by: Anonymous

Hello to all,

Tim,

Hello again, great to converse with you once more.

Yes you are correct, I am unfamiliar with the teachings and principals of freemasonry. I am hoping you can clear things up for me.

Why don't we ever see the Freemason fraternity joining together to quash all of the fears and ridicule against Islam?

Why, if you stand for truth have you not demonstrated as a fraternity to end the ill treatment of Muslims.

As I would think that exposing the truth as you say you all stand for, would be protocol for the Freemasons.

How come we never see the Freemason fraternity informing the general public that the lies we are fed through the media are false?

Or is it only those inside the fraternity are available to the truth?

May Allah guide us and thank you in advance.

Sep 26, 2014
 do the right thing
by: zartajdamuslimah

Best thing to do is go to the masjid and ask your iman dont believe what people tell you on this MashAllah
Sep 27, 2014
 thank you tim
by: BD

Firstly I would like to thank Tim for his accurate representation of the fraternity.

Secondly 4ever learning, we are not a political organisation and therefore do not comment on any international event. We act without bias. We as an organisation do not comment against any anti-muslim acts around the world the same as we do not comment on say the current Ukraine Russia situation. We are not political.

Thirdly, we are not a religion. In fact in lodge there are 2 things that are banned. One is to have political discussions and the second is to have religious discussions. We are not there to differentiate between people of any walks of life. We are all equal when in the lodge and do not promote any anti anything!

Thirdly, if we are anti-muslim we are doing a bad job of it as freemasonry is quite popular in Turkey and some other places in the Muslim world. We encourage people from all walks of life to join white, black, Muslim, Christian. It doesn't matter. The biggest requirement is the belief in a supreme being, wether that is jesus, Allah, Buddha or not a god at all. A supreme being doesn't even have to be a 'god' it could just be a higher power. Agnostics can join just not atheists.

Just as people accuse the masons of anti-muslim thoughts you have to realise we have been accused of all sorts since we began. Catholics are still very much against us. Remember we are not a secret society but rather a society with secrets. It is for like minded people.

People are quick to blame what they don't understand for bad things. It's strange that a lot of Muslims are on here being so negative as freemasonry promotes treating your fellow man as your brother, isn't that the point of all religions too. Treat others as you wish to be treated.

To anyone looking to join, don't rush into it. Speak to a mason that you may know or contact your local lodge or grand lodge and speak to them about what it means to rhem to be a mason. You can then make your own mind up and be comfortable with your decision. But just remember this, the only regret I ever hear from my fellow mason is that they wish they had joint sooner.

Fraternally,

BD
Oct 27, 2014
 Don't be a Freemason
by: Rima

No one gets it being a Freemason is like betraying your own religion so what if other Muslims are Freemasons doesn't mean you have to copy them people think being a mason is cool but it's not Freemasons hate Muslims and if you already are one and you wanna change back well you can't you started it and you will have to end it when you die in the day of judgement in your grave ALLAH will ask you questions and will say you betrayed your religion you betrayed everyone anyway Freemasons are stupid that's we you shouldn't be one please don't.
Oct 28, 2014
 Rubbish
by: Anonymous

Rima; seems the part about learning in our Quran has been passing you without leaving a trace; inform yourself, think yourself and talk to Allah about it but don't come here with a dogmatic that does not allow you to discuss the issues. I will answer for my life because I live it walking the path, you answer for yours, what will you tell? Make a list and look at those actions you decided yourself ( not following other decision makers but those you make) and then compare what Freemasons do ( not what you think they do but what they really do) if you cann't find any good then you can argue not just into the empty space
Nov 01, 2014
 general reminder for the muslim
by: Ali

Islam means peace aquired by submitting your will to god in every aspect of life.
A muslim is anyone who does that.
As Muslims our beloved prophet is a guide and example in every aspect of life and has showed us the way to salvation. We follow his way in all that we do. We should never ascribe to an organisation that is so secretive. We Muslims for maby reasons cannot join such a group. Many of the members are non muslims and we can never have loyalty with them over the believers. They also dont allow muslims to promote Islam and try to encourage others to have salvation in the gereafter. We are warned by our scholers that dajjal will appear towards the end of time. He will be given special abilities to bring the dead alive etc. Many people with weak faith will follow dajjal. those who has a strong faith will succseed.
Nov 02, 2014
 To 4ever
by: Humble

I am the poster who said I was a Freemason and a Muslim. It does not matter what order I write it, I am always a Muslim first. It saddens me to see my brothers say such horrible things about Masonry. I claimed no religion when I joined (only believed in one God(swt)). In fact, if it wasn't for Masonry I wouldn't have found Islam. Alhamdulilah It helped me find faith in our creator.
My brothers!
Knowing how the public view Islam does not mean it's the truth.
Why attack Masonry the same way as the public attack us?
There is nothing secret about it. Can you trust your brother?

Secondly, when I shake hands with a Mason, it's no different than how I would shake anyone elses hand. Honestly, I greet my Muslim brother with a warm embrace!
If I found a conflict with these two groups, wallahi, I will choose my deen.

Your Brother.
Dec 03, 2014
 Read and Abide
by: Anonymous

As I read all the comments thus far it saddens me.Even in the Qu'ran or The Holy Bible, it teaches that Allah/God is the creator of all things.Allah for instance wants you to study, and open your mind to knowledge for greater good.In both books it tells you not to judge, and have open arms to all brothers. Humanity forgets this rule and ignores all other aspects. My family has a historic line of freemasonry, so I know from first hand how each and everything works.Yes, it does seem like witch craft if you just look with closed eyes because of tradition and simple ignorance of the subject,but if you open them like Allah says then you will gain knowledge, which comes with understanding. The only one that is capable of judgement is Allah himself, not the man who praises him.
Dec 06, 2014
 recommended author of books about muslims and freemasonry
by: Anonymous

Mustafa El-Amin, a Muslim Leader has written several books on this subject. The most popular one is, Freemasonry: Ancient Egypt and the Islamic Destiny. Very good read and information .
Dec 13, 2014
 wait for few months
by: Anonymous

We will eradicate the army of satan, Freemasons, sooner than they suppose.
ان الارض یرثها عبادی الصالحون
Dec 13, 2014
 Question for Tim.
by:

Hi Tim,

Firstly, i just want to say that i have come across this page very randomly as i rarely, in the past, researched about Freemasons. However, in saying that, recently i have become more and more curious/interested in the concept of Freemasonry, and have been doing some research.

Before i go on, i would like to state that i am a Muslim. (I can already see the hate coming), and that being a Muslim, my perception on my religion and life it's self is not controlled by narrow thinking. To every other Muslim commenting on here, please dont take this as an attack, i am merely just speaking for my self. I respect everyones beliefs and methods of practicing.

I grew up in a house with a very simple, yet powerful rule. "Be a good person, and do no harm to no one". To be honest, that is how i perceive my religion, if i was to sum it up.

The reason why im directing my question to you Tim is, going through this page, i have read your comments along with the others, and have observed the way you have been conducting yourself. I dont know who you are, and i already have respect for you. I admire your patience and detailed responses. So thank you in advance.

Now my question is, (sorry for the long intro), as a Freemason, are there any hidden agendas/ulterior motives behind the teachings that take place? Please excuse me my question if it seems too direct.

Also, is there, at any point, anything to fear with becoming a Freemason? For example, a secret that is shared with us whilst in the Freemason program, that will seem unusual and just simply not right. Or is all teachings purely based on positive things.

I base my questions purely on the basis of the 'Non stop stories' i have been hearing about Freemasons, (Being bad, not a good thing etc).

Others are welcome to respond too. More the merrier.

Thank you Tim.

Dec 13, 2014
 Fair questions
by: Tharn

May I start off with a question of my own? You say, "I am a Muslim (I can already see the hate coming.)" Hatred from where? I hope you do not think that Freemasons would be hating you simply because of your faith. My own lodge has a number of Muslims, equal and respected. I am pleased and proud to know them and to have them as my friends.

As to your questions, ask away. You are certainly not offending by asking.

First, no, there is not a hidden agenda, certainly not one I have seen in close to 40 years as a Mason.

Our goal is openly stated - to help good men become better men. By the use of allegory and symbols, we try to support our individual efforts to behave in a moral and upright fashion. For example, the construction of Solomon's temple is used as an allegory to remind us of the requirement for courage, hard work, integrity and loyalty. The square reminds one so taught that a good man should treat every other man squarely - fairly, ie.

Second, there is nothing I have ever seen to fear in Freemasonry. No devil worship, no secret sins, no ulterior loyalties. The obligation we swear requires us to obey the laws both of God and of the nation we live in and to treat our fellow human beings with respect and justice. We do not specify who or what a member should consider the Deity to be, nor how that worship should be carried out; each man is expected to believe, to worship in his own way, according to his own religion.

To better explain that, Islam has certain requirements, eg the haj, and bars certain things such as the consumption of pork. Christianity has its own rules, its own ways to honour the Creator, as do Judaism, Bahai and every other faith. Yet all have certain things in common - the central commands concerning honesty, charity, reverence, etc. Masonry tries to ignore the differences and build on the commonalities. No good Mason would mock a fellow Mason for his faith, but rather would support him in his efforts, even if that faith is not the same as his own. For example, two of my lodge's Muslim members host a charitable dinner each year at Eid; it's a popular event, with Christian, Jew and Hindu honoured to be invited and pleased to be able to help good men in a good cause.

There is, in other words, absolutely no Masonic requirement for a member to stray from his faith, whatever that may be. Rather, we encourage each member in his own faith.

Good luck with your research. It can be a difficult journey as there is so much foolish, frightened and hate-filled nonsense around. We in Masonry look for the best in each man; those who criticize all too often look for the worst.
Dec 14, 2014
 Fair Questions reply
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Thank you for that Tharn.

Just to clear something, when i said (I can feel the hate coming) i was directing that at the Muslims who might see me as a traitor for wanting to know about the Freemasons/Have an interest.

I had another question that i wanted to ask, im assuming you can hopefully answer this also.

Once again, based on stories that i have heard, is it true that during an initiation, you are put through several tests in which you possibly risk your health/life? In other words, does the initiation involve any violent and/or unusual activities?
Dec 14, 2014
 Masonic tests....
by: Tim

Welcome to the discussion and thanks for visiting Masonsmart.

There is very little I could add to what Tharn has already said, and I certainly couldn't have said it any better. Thank you Brother.

In regards to your most recent question concerning violent or dangerous activity during initiation, no it is not true. The degrees of Freemasonry are designed to be solemn, meaningful, and to impress upon the candidate wise and important truths. While the legends of some degrees do contain tests of courage, bravery, self-sacrifice, perseverence and endurance these are allegorical as well and are lessons to be taken to heart, not to be experienced physically. At no time is the candidate intentionally placed in danger or at risk of injury. In fact, quite the opposite is true. While in darkness he is attended at every step to ensure his safety.

It sounds as if you and I grew up in very similary houses. "Be a good person and do no harm," is the credo I strive to live by every day. In my view, the teachings of Freemasonry are the Golden Rule (do unto others as you would have them do unto you) with sprinkles on top. There is nothing particularly new in its teachings. Rather, it takes the most ancient truths of mankind and presents them in ways that make indelible impressions upon the heart of the willing candidate.

Thank you for your interest and your questions. Keep them coming should others occur to you and we'll answer them as best we can.

Fraternally yours,

Tim
Dec 14, 2014
 Keep those questions coming
by: Tharn

Thank you, Bro Tim.

If I might amplify just a little...

There are symbolic hazards during an initiation, but note the emphasis on symbolic. As Tim has stated, at no time is there any physical danger or stress. It's rather like those legendary 'blood oaths' the foolish would have you believe in. The obligation traditionally does include some pretty nasty penalties (although some jurisdictions have removed them altogether) but they are entirely symbolic, intended to emphasize how a Mason should feel if ever tempted to break his word. They date back to our forebearers in the Middle Ages, when such horrific things were sadly common.

Moreover, the ceremony is one which literally millions of honest, decent and God-fearing men have gone through without problem or shame. There is nothing demeaning, belittling or nasty about it. No man need fear anything there, especially we would say, when supported by his faith.
Dec 26, 2014
 MASONIC FAMILY
by: Anonymous

im a Muslim women and Im part of the order of the eastern star, which is part of the masonic family, and I see nothing wrong with it, they never discuss politics or different religions as long as you believe in a supreme being which could be god or Allah that's all it matters, it teaches you about giving to the less fortunate and to be a better person over all the discipline to be honest since I joined I have become a better Muslim and more religious.
Im glad what Iam and I know the feeling when people find out Im part of the masonic family the first thing people say is Im a Jew and that my
" people" are out there to destroy Muslims, its a bunch of crap none of the teachings say that or even mention anything about that.
So people need to stop judging a person without knowing exactly what its all about.


Dec 27, 2014
 you obviously don't know!!!
by: Anonymous

Hello well first of all, selamunaleykum brothers and sisters, masonic beliefs is not even close to islamic belief, first of all you CANNOT have a female freemason, but you might have a member of the branches so called, lions club, rotary club...etc freemasonry is worshipping devil. If you are ready to sell your soul thats when you are one, but dont forget we dont own our body our soul so how dare you surrender something that you dont own? The punishment of hell fire is beneath the lowest level,
freemasonry is a.k.a ILLUMINATI the all seeing eye occult secret organization, they are zionist they are the ones who cause these wars, the isis, pkk, kkk, all run by the zionist freemasons , looks into the bilderberg group, the missing malaysian plane.
OPEN YOUR EYES. They are killing the innoncent, and blame it on the muslims. Infact 911, how many times they were proven that it was a setup BUT as you would all know they own the media they do a cover up job by blinding us, WAKE UP.

Look at the HOLLYWOOD star all have money all have nice cars, but the illuminati owns them if they dont participate with there rules they get blamed as being a pedophile of a rapist or die mysteriously, e.g princess diana, micheal jackson, elvis presley, 2pac shakur, famous and rich self made billionaires by selling there soul...... so make your choice bloke!!! U cant be a muslim and a freemason you can only be ONE! Worship allah or worship the devil. And last thing yes freemasonry is a religion. They practice satanizm
Dec 27, 2014
 Poor fellow
by: Lant

"U cant be a muslim and a freemason you can only be ONE!"

Wow.

Is that anything like saying that you can't be a Muslim and ride a bicycle at the same time, that it's one or the other? That you can't be a Christian and a pediatrician at the same time, that it's one or the other?

Sadly, somebody has been feeding you a load of hate-filled hogwash. And it *is* sad, because love is the answer, not hate.

Having been a Mason for 30+ years, I speak from personal knowledge and experience when I say there is no devil-worship in Freemasonry. None. You one the other hand are not a Mason and *cannot* know; your statements are based on malevolent gossip, nothing more.

The world is not run by mysterious conspiracies, friend. There are entire shelves of books on the psychology of the conspiracy theorist; it's a sad little world when you have to blame everything on Them...

Open your eyes and stop letting others fill you with hate.
Jan 22, 2015
 Clarifying doubts
by: Anonymous

No, there is no problem from the point of wiew of free masonry
A lot of muslims are members of Turkish Lodge; in Israel there is a lodge whose members are muslims , jews and christians and some gnostics, agnostics and atheists of course.
You could read my mother Lodge; apoem writen by Rudyard Kipling

In some Lodges you have to believe in god or in a kind of Universal principle of creation etc Deist.
Some masonic order or orients are Trinitarians. I think that you will be in troubles with Muslims being a free masons. Some Imans have declared fatwa against free masons and sufis.
Then do not be afraid ; Masonry is a door open to the Universe and It is a beautiful path to travel.
After a short time you will not know if you are muslim, christian , jew buddhist, atheist ,gnostic, agnostic anarchist, pagan you will be a free mason; plainly a better man.
Jan 22, 2015
 I disagree
by: Tharn

Very sorry, but you are mistaken.

1. It's not 'some' that require such belief. Belief in a supreme beng is a fundamental principle of all regular Freemasonry. There are some places which do not require that, but they are not recognized by mainstream Masonry. They are irregular, not considered 'real' Masons.

2. If by "Trinitarian", you mean Christian, there again you are in error. Freemasonry does not insist on Christianity, nor does the Christian Trinity appear in any Masonic work I have ever seen. Indeed, all men who believe in a supreme being are welcome, be they Christian, Jewish, Muslim or whatever - all are equal under the Almighty.

3. Lastly, I cannot imagine a Mason forgetting whether he is Muslim or Christian or whatever his faith may be. Masonry is not - not - a religion, nor does it replace religion, nor does it lead men to forget their own faiths. Indeed, Freemasonry strongly encourages its members to actively participate in their own religion.

So, while I agree that Masonry is a good opportunity for a man of any religion to improve himself, I think you have seriously misunderstood its nature.

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